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Old 10-28-2021, 05:49 PM
 
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A scientific approach to data:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_mo...2cDimeLQvhMnIL
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:06 AM
 
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The writing is nonsense -- and here is the source --

"H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D., is a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute"

Do you what the "Heartland Institute" is?

A paid fake research front for the Oil and Gas industry.

So you may figure "Ph.D?" Must know something?

Well, maybe, but nothing about Climate, Science, Environment . . . .

Because -- https://www.desmog.com/h-sterling-burnett/

H. Sterling Burnett
Credentials
Ph.D., Applied Philosophy, Bowling Green State University (2001). [1]
M.A., Applied Philosophy, Bowling Green State University, (1992). [1]
B.A., Cultural Anthropology, Southern Methodist University, (1986). [1]

And he has been making up bullsh1t for decades .. . .

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/does-...t-act_b_157915
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Old 10-29-2021, 08:37 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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--better do some fact checking, Phil. Exxon donated a total of $50,000, all prior to 2006. https://www.climatedepot.com/2021/08...t-its-funding/...and let's not ignore where George Soros' money is going.

I don't get any funding from anybody, and yet my conclusions on the topic after reviewing the literature is usually the same as Heartland's-- climate alarmism is a perpetuation of false info and false conclusions intended for political & financial gain only.

Michael Crichton's novel State of Fear is based on the real world law suit filed against Exxon & BP two decades ago by the island nation of The Maldives, claiming damages caused by big oil/GW. They claimed their islands were sinking due to sea level rise....In fact, the suit was just one of many examples of eco-extortion, never intended to go to court, but hoping for a large financial settlement....Big oil held firm and the suit has since been dropped, the claiments knowing they could never win in open court....Instead, for the last several yeaers, The Maldives have been seeking investors to build luxury hotels on those same supposedly sinking beaches.

The problem of rising oceans is complex....For one thing, we're still technically in an Ice Age (we have permanent polar ice and glaciers. We're not technically into an interglacial period until those are all gone)..so it's expected that oceans will continue to rise until the ice is gone....Secondly, a good deal of the "rise" recorded by satellites is due to the fact that the tectonic plates under the oceans are still bobbing back up after having been depressed by the huge mass of glacial ice previously present-- The surface is getting closer to the satlellites, but the depth of the oceans are not necessarily getting deeper....And thirdly, not all oceans are rising. Many around the Pacific rim are going down, explaining to a large extent why The Great Barrier Reef seems to be dying in some places-- it's merely being exposed to the atm where it had previously been submerged.

You're free to look all this stuff up to verify it like I did. I don't get my info from The Ladies Home Journal, CNN, NYT or The Natll Inquirer like many others who have formed opinions stronger than their info base can support.

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Old 10-30-2021, 05:54 PM
 
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The writing is nonsense 5[/url]
So you think only The Department Of Truth knows, what is no-nonsense?
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Old 10-30-2021, 11:56 PM
 
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So you think only The Department Of Truth knows, what is no-nonsense?
No, the theme is nonsense in its own right

Look at his grand conclusion?

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"Ending the use of fossil fuels and [subtract the political moronicity] it will only make people poorer and less free."
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THAT is the nonsense. Keep the masses of asses addicted to Fossil Fuels.

THAT is the point. Even if you have generate lies and garbage to do so.

Renewables are MUCH cheaper for "poor people" and gives them non-Central Plant sources. Does that sound less free? Or does it just sound like Fossil Fuel operators might lose their Cash Flow?
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Old 10-31-2021, 03:42 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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Renewables are MUCH cheaper for "poor people" and gives them non-Central Plant sources.
What planet do you live on?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/05...-renewable-us/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0712151926.htm

You keep forgetting that wind & solar power only calculate out to be cheaper when you ignore the cost of stand-by back up power.

Heating a home may cost a rich guy and a poor guy the same, but it's only1% of the rich guy's income and 10% of the poor guy's.

If renewables are so cheap, why does Germany have electricity costs 3x that of the US?
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Old 10-31-2021, 05:46 AM
 
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No, the theme is nonsense in its own right
Yea... The whole Europe is without heat now due to infinite wisdom of their presidents. They rely on windmills and solars, but the wind decided to stop and the clouds came over.
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Old 11-01-2021, 08:38 AM
 
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What planet do you live on?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/10/05...-renewable-us/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0712151926.htm

You keep forgetting that wind & solar power only calculate out to be cheaper when you ignore the cost of stand-by back up power.
Suppose I should mention that I am a US Grid Level Electrical Engineer and 30 year Master, so I am a little hard to bullsh1t on this stuff.

Did not really "forget" anything. I work this field, so I am aware that you are just making that up. Do you understand that you are just making things up? With your bias for selecting bad information, you may not?

There is no "stand-by back up power" required except for 3 conditions --

+ Legally Required Emergency Systems
+ Legally Required Stand-by Systems
+ Optional Stand-by Systems

THAT is it. All the options. Those are determined by the Local Authorities, and Site Use and NOT based on the Electricity Source.

That is based on the US National Electric Code, which is a guideline used around the world.

Does not even apply to the typical Grid Tied Solar or Wind install, (most is Grid-Tied) except for when an owner may like an Optional Stand-by. And we get those requests from non-renewable sites more often than Renewable.

This link is a little old (2002), but covers the topic rather well. If you need more details we can do those. Happens to be I am working on these type designs today.

https://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarc...s~20020920.htm

You may be thinking of "Reliability" -- which is the likelihood of power staying on at site. Typically the highest reliability comes from on-site Solar PV, as it is the most durable, longest-life, and has no moving parts and requires no fuel. There is Solar PV in remote sites, islands, and even on buoys around the world that works for decades with little-to-no maintenance, and zero fuel.

A "Grid Tied" Solar PV system also operates fine without batteries, etc. Just mentioning that because there is a LOT of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) around -- typically from guys like the fraud in your starting post.

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Heating a home may cost a rich guy and a poor guy the same, but it's only1% of the rich guy's income and 10% of the poor guy's.
Incorrect assumptions on Heating expenses for housing --

First -- most Humans in the world live between 30 North and 30 South Latitude. (Interesting dynamic map here -- hit the blue buttons to see how things stack up). In that region, heating is not so much an issue. As you can see from the map, the next biggest slug of Humans is the 45 North to 30 North region -- where Heat IS an issue.

https://engaging-data.com/population...ude-longitude/

So we can work on that. But you have to understand the details to improve. So . . .

Second -- the cost for Heating is driven by the Volume of space to heat and the quality of insulation. US and Europe have not always chosen the best insulation methods, so we are lacking in this regard. As far as Rich v. Poor in this regard, generally "Rich" have larger houses to heat, so higher expenses. However, the "Rich" can also have higher quality housing with better insulation. Take a look at this 5000 square foot (HUGE) house in Canada that you can heat with a 1500 Watt "hair dryer."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vul4vMFdkA

So this is not a fuel selection issue, at all. This is a Quality-of-Housing issue. The faster we shift the quality of housing -- all the way from Top to Bottom, the lower the heating costs, and the better for everyone. This is true TOTALLY independent of Fuel Selection.

Third -- the faster we move the high consuming "Top End" OFF of fossil fuels, that leaves more fuel and lower cost fossil fuels for the bottom end to make the transition. So if the US and Canada (highest heat energy per person) leads the way on this, it is better for everyone. At the present front, Germany is now leading on the technologies and methods. Their view is that Energy not used is Energy not needed.

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If renewables are so cheap, why does Germany have electricity costs 3x that of the US?


Taxes. Really. Taxes.

I have heard this nonsense so often, I went and looked this up and talked with Germans about it.

German pays taxes, runs a budget surplus, and has nice things.

US, on the other hand, avoid taxes, operates on massive debts, and only have things on payments.

Summary: Germany = Smart, US = not so much.
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Old 11-01-2021, 08:49 AM
 
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Yea... The whole Europe is without heat now due to infinite wisdom of their presidents. They rely on windmills and solars, but the wind decided to stop and the clouds came over.
You do not let lack of facts or lack of knowledge get in your way, do you?

Here is the Real Deal on Europe and Heat.

Leading source is Gas.

If they are lacking heat, it is not due to Renewables, but from still relying on Fossil.

This is a couple years old, but the details are slow to change.


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Derived heat production
EU total gross production of derived heat in 2019 was 622 TWh. The highest share of heat was produced from natural gas and manufactured gases (37.7 %), followed by renewable energies (30.0 %) and solid fossil fuels (21.8 %). The detailed data on gross heat production by fuel are shown in Table 4 and Figure 2.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statis...eat_production
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Once Europe moves past Gas, and improves housing insulation (major push for Germany, now) they will be doing much better.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:01 AM
 
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I don't get any funding from anybody, and yet my conclusions on the topic after reviewing the literature is usually the same as Heartland's-- climate alarmism is a perpetuation of false info and false conclusions intended for political & financial gain only.
guido -- self validation may be healthy in some therapy situations, but not so much in Science.

Take the math quiz? (you may enjoy this. Just yell for any help needed)

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IF the Volume of Ice, now resting on Greenland and Antarctica were to melt, how much would world average sea level rise?

(you can ignore or estimate the amount of additional water vapor that will increase or be held in the Atmosphere due to increased temperatures).
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