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Old 06-19-2008, 11:05 PM
 
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This is something that should have and could have been done long before now. I suppose greed will always prevail. Because we did not demand it and so many bought into "the bigger the better" nonsense, everyone is paying the price.

BBC NEWS | Business | Honda makes first hydrogen cars
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Old 06-19-2008, 11:18 PM
 
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No one ever stopped you from developing something.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Burbank
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about time someone does
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Old 06-20-2008, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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GM had plans to release the Hydrogen vehicles they have been working on in two years. The "Stack" (engine) is very costly to produce though, and we still have problems with a lack of infrastructure to be able to efficiently deploy the technology
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Old 06-20-2008, 07:32 PM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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GM had plans to release the Hydrogen vehicles they have been working on in two years. The "Stack" (engine) is very costly to produce though, and we still have problems with a lack of infrastructure to be able to efficiently deploy the technology
Yes, it's a chicken and egg thing. It will never take off until the refueling stations are ubiquitous and the refueling stations won't be everywhere until the H cars are everywhere.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:30 PM
 
Location: In The Outland
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I like the idea of those cars now being produced in India that run on compressed air.
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Old 06-20-2008, 11:27 PM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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well after reading the article I think it is going to be another hype that will disappear with Honda, they are just Leasing these vehicles, while GM and other car manufactures are trying to get the cost of the "stack" down to a reasonable price so they can actually sell the cars. GM did what Honda is doing with the EV1 in California. Does not sound familiar? they took back all the leased vehicles. they were full electric cars.
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Old 06-21-2008, 12:45 AM
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well after reading the article I think it is going to be another hype that will disappear with Honda, they are just Leasing these vehicles, while GM and other car manufactures are trying to get the cost of the "stack" down to a reasonable price so they can actually sell the cars. GM did what Honda is doing with the EV1 in California. Does not sound familiar? they took back all the leased vehicles. they were full electric cars.
This isn't necessary to get them to be more "popular," because many car companies have NGV and E85 vehicles, etc... but there are very few out there despite being around for many years. Toyota did EV with California Edison and ended it (the vehicles were expensive). The whole point is to get people to test these technologies in real life and learn from that.

When the first automobiles came out there was electrics and internal combustion engine. At that time people didn't know which to use, until people actually spent time using them and learning about them.
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Old 06-21-2008, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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This isn't necessary to get them to be more "popular," because many car companies have NGV and E85 vehicles, etc... but there are very few out there despite being around for many years. Toyota did EV with California Edison and ended it (the vehicles were expensive). The whole point is to get people to test these technologies in real life and learn from that.

When the first automobiles came out there was electrics and internal combustion engine. At that time people didn't know which to use, until people actually spent time using them and learning about them.
so if a car type is unknown people will still buy it? I dont think so. Most people have never heard of the EV1 which was wildly successfully, but extremely expensive. They pulled the plug so to speak, and continued development. When the price comes down, and they can sell them for a reasonable price, then push them hard through advertisements to make sure that the public Knows about the cars then you might get it to work. Producing 200 leased vehicles is not going to have much of an impact just as 150 or so EV1's had little impact on anyone except for the 150 that were driving them.
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Old 06-21-2008, 11:10 AM
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so if a car type is unknown people will still buy it? I dont think so. Most people have never heard of the EV1 which was wildly successfully, but extremely expensive. They pulled the plug so to speak, and continued development. When the price comes down, and they can sell them for a reasonable price, then push them hard through advertisements to make sure that the public Knows about the cars then you might get it to work. Producing 200 leased vehicles is not going to have much of an impact just as 150 or so EV1's had little impact on anyone except for the 150 that were driving them.
The impact isn't to get people to know about them as much as it is for doing R&D, although they are doing celebrity endorsements like Toyota did for Prius. They are doing "beta" test with real users so they can collect data. That's the only way to learn how the technology will work in real life.
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