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Old 05-22-2009, 05:25 AM
 
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In anticipation of Friday's House Energy and Commerce Committee vote on the Waxman-Markey legislation," cap-and-tax,The National Black Chamber of Commerce (NBCC) released a new study that determines the potential economic impacts of the federal cap-and-[tax] system outlined in the bill. Compiled by CRA International, the analysis determines that by 2030 the law would: reduce national GDP roughly $350 billion below the baseline level; cut net employment by 2.5 million jobs (even after accounting for new 'green' jobs); and reduce earnings for the average U.S. worker by $390 per year."

Basically "Liberals & Environmental Fanatics" are going to turn this nation into a third world country...

NBCC Study Finds Waxman-Markey Reduces GDP by $350 Billion (http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-21-2009/0005030766&EDATE - broken link)=
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Old 05-22-2009, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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CRA is a fossil fuel consulting shop. The speak for the oil and coal industry. If you believe their numbers I have some ocean front property in Kansas for you. No joke. It will be.
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Old 05-22-2009, 12:21 PM
 
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Yea...

Just like your windmill calculations...
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Old 05-22-2009, 04:01 PM
 
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Amazing how the greenies cry about who paid for what studies and studiously ignore who paid for their studies to get the results they wanted.
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Old 05-22-2009, 05:13 PM
 
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Amazing how the greenies cry about who paid for what studies and studiously ignore who paid for their studies to get the results they wanted.
There's a study out on the impact of a renewable energy industry in Kansas. It shows the potential to create 12 thousand jobs and billions in state GDP. The Governor is attempting to get the legislature to pursue the possibility. Siemens just announced a plant in the state that will employ 400 people. What's the good news for coal?
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Old 05-22-2009, 06:28 PM
 
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It shows the potential to create 12 thousand jobs and billions in state GDP.
You'll cite a study about potential but have discounted the Spanish University study based on real numbers?

Where's your study from? Sierra Club?

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What's the good news for coal?
Gloat all you want but he who laughs last laughs best. Tell you what my idea is, I think they should immediately implement all this legislation so when the next election comes around they can all get voted out.

I often here we're basing energy policy on California, California ranks 40'th in energy costs on the wrong end of the scale. They are only beaten out by a handful of Northeast states with little resources of their own and the states of Alsaka and Hawaii. Coming to theater near you:

http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/115.htm

Number one state is Wyoming almost 2/3 less than cost in California. It's the highest producing coal state, the majority of others that follow are either high percentage coal producing states or nearby.

There's some reality for you.

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Old 05-22-2009, 07:08 PM
 
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Green jobs experience is much more a cautionary tale than a blueprint for success.

Busting the Myth of Green Jobs
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Old 05-22-2009, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Minnysoda
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You'll cite a study about potential but have discounted the Spanish University study based on real numbers?

Where's your study from? Sierra Club?

Gloat all you want but he who laughs last laughs best. Tell you what my idea is, I think they should immediately implement all this legislation so when the next election comes around they can all get voted out.

I often here we're basing energy policy on California, California ranks 40'th in energy costs on the wrong end of the scale. They are only beaten out by a handful of Northeast states with little resources of their own and the states of Alsaka and Hawaii. Coming to theater near you:

Electricity Rate Comparison by State

Number one state is Wyoming almost 2/3 less than cost in California. It's the highest producing coal state, the majority of others that follow are either high percentage coal producing states or nearby.

There's some reality for you.


Don't waste your bandwidth on the facts! Moderator cut: No insults

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Old 05-22-2009, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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You'll cite a study about potential but have discounted the Spanish University study based on real numbers?

Where's your study from? Sierra Club?

Gloat all you want but he who laughs last laughs best. Tell you what my idea is, I think they should immediately implement all this legislation so when the next election comes around they can all get voted out.

I often here we're basing energy policy on California, California ranks 40'th in energy costs on the wrong end of the scale. They are only beaten out by a handful of Northeast states with little resources of their own and the states of Alsaka and Hawaii. Coming to theater near you:

Electricity Rate Comparison by State

Number one state is Wyoming almost 2/3 less than cost in California. It's the highest producing coal state, the majority of others that follow are either high percentage coal producing states or nearby.

There's some reality for you.
It was good enough for the Republican governor of Kansas to adopt it as a blueprint for his state.

Coal costs are going to increase. That's the idea. Electricity cost will increase much less overall, as utilities switch to renewable energy.
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Old 05-22-2009, 08:48 PM
 
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It was good enough for the Republican governor of Kansas to adopt it as a blueprint for his state.

Coal costs are going to increase. That's the idea. Electricity cost will increase much less overall, as utilities switch to renewable energy.
Kathleen Sebelius is/was the R-governator.
Considering the words Republican and Conservative synonyms is a common mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Kathy is BO's new HHS secretary.

Besides, from what I've seen, many governators are driven more by the lust for power, political correctness, and lobbyist dollars than by doing what's smart and right for the people they (supposedly) work for.
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