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Why are they running a NG pipeline to the plant, surely they could use the ethanol for fuel. Perhaps it's just can't efficiently be burned for heat or is becsue that would really make the reality set in of how much energy is required to make ethanol, by using NG we can hide it to some degree.
Why are they running a NG pipeline to the plant, surely they could use the ethanol for fuel. Perhaps it's just can't efficiently be burned for heat or is becsue that would really make the reality set in of how much energy is required to make ethanol, by using NG we can hide it to some degree.
FuelConsumption(quadrillion Btu): 55.78
Subsidization : $1,921 Million
Subsidy per million Btu: $0.03
Ethanol/Biofuels
FuelConsumption(quadrillion Btu): 0.57
Subsidization : $3,249 Million
Subsidy per million Btu: $5.72
Virtually all new energy technology is subsidized until the methodology and infrastructure make it economically viable.
Wind generation is subsidized. Wind Energy Costs (http://www.awea.org/faq/wwt_costs.html#If%20wind%20energy%20is%20competiti ve,%20why%20does%20it%20need%20a%20tax%20credit%20 subsidy%20from%20the%20government%20Isnt%20this%20 government%20interference%20in%20the%20free%20mark et - broken link)
Virtually all new energy technology is subsidized until the methodology and infrastructure make it economically viable.
Yes, the document I linked too will show that. It provides figures on every form of energy and what it received in 2007.
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Why, exactly, is it so surprising that ethanol production is subsidized?
It isn't considering the power of the farm lobby, the point is that it's heavily subsidized. Ethanol received the most out of any energy in 2007 yet the benefits are dubious.
Yes, the document I linked too will show that. It provides figures on every form of energy and what it received in 2007.
It isn't considering the power of the farm lobby, the point is that it's heavily subsidized. Ethanol received the most out of any energy in 2007 yet the benefits are dubious.
Ethanol isn't about farmers, and a there is no farm lobby. It's about the USDA and big companies like ADM. It's also about the desire of John Q Public to cut our dependence on foreign oil. Solar, coal and wind subsidies do little (if anything) toward that goal.
I'm all for exploring EVERY possible ethanol source - including Switchgrass, Sugar Beets, Cane Sugar, etc.
But I'm also all FOR people being honest about the REAL cost of corn ethanol production. And up to this point, there have been some blatant lies told often enough that gullible people have begun to accept them as set facts. And that's not good for anybody.
It's also about the desire of John Q Public to cut our dependence on foreign oil. Solar, coal and wind subsidies do little (if anything) toward that goal..
Coal can be converted to liquid fuel. I believe the magic number is $40 a barrel but it's a tricky investment because if the oil drops below that you're going to take a bath.
I know there has been some significant investment by the US air force in the past, if I remeber correctly successfully tested on small scale. Certainly not without precedent or new as Germany did the same thing during WW2.
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Sugar Beets, Cane Sugar, etc.
If my understanding is correct there isn't many places in the US suitable for growing them?
Ethanol isn't about farmers, and a there is no farm lobby. It's about the USDA and big companies like ADM. It's also about the desire of John Q Public to cut our dependence on foreign oil. Solar, coal and wind subsidies do little (if anything) toward that goal.
I'm all for exploring EVERY possible ethanol source - including Switchgrass, Sugar Beets, Cane Sugar, etc.
But I'm also all FOR people being honest about the REAL cost of corn ethanol production. And up to this point, there have been some blatant lies told often enough that gullible people have begun to accept them as set facts. And that's not good for anybody.
I have read some things about a proposed ethanol pipeline to NYC that will make it the first large market for ethanol. The pipeline is suppoused to run throgh Pennsylvania and that is why their is a huge ethanol plant being built in Clearfield Pa. Does anyone know any details?
Now, is it possible to get back to the original question?
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