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Exactly
Also ask RoninAmok how, when I move back to the states, how I can transfer all the machine guns and NFA stuff I have in a different state, into CA...
And again , that has WHAT to do with CCW? And guess what ? There are places that are worse than Calif.
The postulation was that it was impossible in calif to get a CCW , that is in fact a myth. Class III weapons have jack to do with it.the available of items chambered for .50 bmg has jack to do with the issue , the ridiculous " button" has jack to do with it , nor does the equally ridiculous drop test have anything whatsoever to do with it.
The FACT remains that one can obtain a CCW within the environs of Calif. All the rest of your sidesteps are inconsequential to that question.
The myth you cite is neck and neck with the myth that Texas is an open carry state..........
the 2nd Amendment? did you forget about that part of the Bill of Rights?
Nope , the original postulation was that it is impossible to obtain a CCW in Calif, It's not impossible , as thousands of CCW holders can attest to , the ridiculous prohibition against .50 bmg has nothing to do with that issue , it's a separate issue are the intrusion on both documents mentioned.
The fact remains that it was an error , one quite frequently trumpeted about by those with *NO* experience within the state in question.
And yup Ca has some doozies on the books , but then look at Jersey and the ammunition laws.
Again that's a moot point as regards CCW within Calif. And erroneous information is....erroneous.
Nope , the original postulation was that it is impossible to obtain a CCW in Calif, It's not impossible , as thousands of CCW holders can attest to , the ridiculous prohibition against .50 bmg has nothing to do with that issue , it's a separate issue are the intrusion on both documents mentioned.
The fact remains that it was an error , one quite frequently trumpeted about by those with *NO* experience within the state in question.
And yup Ca has some doozies on the books , but then look at Jersey and the ammunition laws.
Again that's a moot point as regards CCW within Calif. And erroneous information is....erroneous.
very true, the original op was about ccw..it turned into the damnation of gun laws against the law abiding in california.
ery few states in the USA give their citizens alot of rights concerning firearms.
it seems that politicians are always thinking that if they ban firearms for the law abiding citizen, it will get rid of the gun problem. it just goes to show that they are completely wrong.
Very few states in the USA give their citizens alot of rights concerning firearms.
Agreed, but it's not just states, it's also county governments, city governments, and the police.
The California debate illustrates this, it's assumed CCW isn't practically available for anyone in CA, but as correctly stated that's restricted more to the "San Angeles" region (hey whodathunkit working in a "Demolition Man" reference). As another example AK has gold standard firearms freedoms (State supremacy, no permit needed for CCW, if it's legal to own federally it's legal here, everything just requires NICS, no waiting periods, no ammo restrictions, and an FFA), but certain elements of Anchorage PD and the South Eastern Region State Troopers took it upon themselves to run serial numbers and do background checks with people who comply with the notification policy of AK as per Concealed Carry Law. That was never state mandated, and counter to the State Governments wishes (and being corrected as we speak through the State Legislature). However that was seen on some Reality TV show about the AST and now it's considered by the L48 to be a State policy, and not a bunch of yahoo's wanting to feel like they were achieving something (even though it's questionable that anyone so caught could be prosecuted, since it could have been a violation of their 5th Amendment rights).
It's certainly something to be aware of. To circle this back to the OP, that one requirement of the NFA is yes you can own these items provided your state allows it, AND you can get a form 4 signed by a CLEO in your locale, unless your State has an NFA equivalence to a "shall issue" then if the CLEO has had a bad day, bad year, or bad career, you may be perfectly legal to own these items in your state, but never going to own them legally unless you relocate to another city/county within that state with a more reasonable CLEO.
I respectfully disagree. I should be allowed to own anything I want. The use of it is already governed, so why can't I have a tank if I want one?
As the police often say, as well as judges, it's the "intent" of the law, not necessaraly the verbage. Well, the 2nd ammendment's intent is that should there be terrany in Gov, that we the people could take care of it. In order to do that, we should have an edge. If they can have a tank, I should be able to have a tank.
i believe that you have the right to defend your family and yourself-above all other rights.
Nope , the original postulation was that it is impossible to obtain a CCW in Calif, It's not impossible , as thousands of CCW holders can attest to , the ridiculous prohibition against .50 bmg has nothing to do with that issue , it's a separate issue are the intrusion on both documents mentioned.
The fact remains that it was an error , one quite frequently trumpeted about by those with *NO* experience within the state in question.
And yup Ca has some doozies on the books , but then look at Jersey and the ammunition laws.
Again that's a moot point as regards CCW within Calif. And erroneous information is....erroneous.
Ummm... talk about the diversionary tactics (well, yours)... The title of this thread is "What should people be allowed to possess"..... I started this thread. Don't really care what the rules for the Republick of Kalifornia are... stick to the topic. Personally, I don't care what the individual states think. The Bill of Rights should trump all of them.
JMHO.
I don't own a gun. But, to me, anything less than a heavy machine gun or RPG is fair game.
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