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Old 06-03-2010, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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The British media (BBC) have carried the story and are careful to note that British gun crime is very low. Not really true, but hey; the sheeple all register that "fact" whilst munching on their KFC "family dinner". And then auot-parrot it when prompted by certain catch-phrases.

They do already have strict assault rifle bans in Britain, Canada & Australia. That way, you see, no-one, not even someone who goes a bit, well, "off" like this kindly taxi driver. But they still sort of allow shotguns.

U.K. taxi driver guns down 12, wounds 25 in rampage - CTV News

I wonder what new level of legislation they will introduce. Or when this is used in the US media to support a re-enactment of the now-expired AWB here.

"Knock knock knock" (sorry: it'll be more like KNOCK KNOCK... [one, two, three...] SMASH...)"

"Mr. rifleman? Our records
["What records" he mumbles in astonishment as he's thrust aside by the Citizens for Rational Action to Stop Home Gun Ownership (CRASH-GO) "team" forces it's entry crew into rflmn's living room, terrorizing his kids, who have been watching Sesame Street's "take" on the responsibility of all citizens to report any "unusual activity... or thoughts..." about their friends?] clearly show you have a single-shot 1874 Sharps rifle. Hmmm... 45-120 huh? A bit "too much rifle" for real sporting purposes, don't you agree? So... Frank: take it outside and "process it! Piece of old junk anyhow"

Nahhhh; could never happen here, huh? Only in Britain/Canada/Aussieland you say, going back to your KFC. (what is in those 11 herbs and spices anyhow? Why do I always get sorta sleepy after I eat it?).

I've wondered: why not just ban "Bad Thoughts"??? A minimum 5 year incarceration if you have one, and we can all rely on our friends to "rat" on us any time, anywhere.

Well, your take on what the fallout might be please. Thx!

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Old 06-03-2010, 11:27 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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The shooting was extremely uncommon and rare. No system can 100% prevent gun crime and no one ever said the UK sees NO gun crime or that it could NEVER happen here. But fact is, gun crime in the UK is miles lower than in the US. Zeroing in on one or a few highly unusual cases of gun crime in the UK doesn't change that.

I'm not saying I'm anti-gun but facts are facts.
 
Old 06-03-2010, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Fort Wayne
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Ban cars...because a car was used.
Ban roads...because roads were used.
Ban twins...because a twin did it.

AND the main thing is..... BAN GUNS.
Oh wait...they ARE banned over there.
Hmm...
 
Old 06-03-2010, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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Granted PA2UK, but my point, not well expanded on, is that the spectacular rise in gun violence after the UK gun ban has shown that, of course, you cannot legislate human behavior. And pre-ban, for an honest comparison,how often were guns used in British crime?

If we could ban all gun violence by hitting some MAGIC button that vaporizes all firearms, what do you suppose would ensue? Then, man's creative mind would turn to knives (I do believe those are on their way to being banned in the UK, yes? I know that's the case in my original Canadian home. government promises to keep us all safe. In our homes. "Do not go out at night!" Q: Why, Mr. rifleman, were you out at that 7/11 after 9pm anyhow? I think you were just "asking for it!").

Quebec urged to ban combat knives

LiveLeak.com - Redefining the Media

Knife legislation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then, with no guns or knives, we'd have to ban pitchforks and all other potentially dangerous garden implements. And then sharp sticks. And then... Or, alternately, this "thoughtful" solution:

Of Arms and the Law: Canada's proposed gun ban raises gun sales

The only true and rational answer, IMHO, is to Ban Bad Thoughts, (BBT! BBT! Nice chant-rhythm to it, don't you think?) as I've suggested.

NOTE: See: the movie "1984". Quick, easy, comprehensive and effective. Hell, you could then even carry around a belt-fed .50cal Browning and no-one would feel even the slightest bit nervous!

There have been a lot of very interesting stats & data out of both Vancouver and Seattle, both very close to each other, both port towns with a lot of contraband, incl. full-auto firearms, coming in on those near-uncountable numbers of Containers. Similar depressing weather.

Seattle (WA State), with legal concealed handgun carry and general gun ownership, incl. the inherently EVIL "assault rifles [anything an uneducated legislator doesn't like the aggressive looks of...] actually has a lower per captia violent crime rate than the gun-control heaven of Vancouver.

Vancouver tops in gun violence, study finds

CBC News - British Columbia - Politicians, police seek help as gun violence surges in Metro Vancouver

New Democrats target gun violence | NDP

(No; wait! There's a line in this article that notes... "the epidemic of gun violence threatening Canadian families here in Vancouver and across the country". Say it is NOT SO! Oh. My. God!)

Or this, stats from Britain, post gun-ban!:

Violence Increases In Wake of British Gun Ban

A recent report from the annual FBI Uniform Report series is that, for the 4th or 5th year, gun and, in fact, the rate for all violent crimes in the US has declined significantly. The huge increase in gun ownership post-Clinton and post-Obama elections, by honest, law-abiding citizens, is thought to have had a significant effect on this rate. After all, it's not worth dying to "jack" some guy's wallet and watch, is it?

My friend who lives in a very upscale part of YVR, notes the occasional sound of full-auto fire! (Q: When have you heard that near your home in the evenings? "Oh, it's nothing honey. It's just those nice Asian TONG gang fellows who live down the street, probably settling some financial matter... Let's just turn up Ricky Gervais! on the telly!").

In Vancouver now, a quick check online of gun violence is that it's occurring almost weekly with mall shootings, assassinations, druggies firing at each other from their cars.

in Washington, if someone here tries to, let's say, "jack" someone or stick them up on the streets of our small town, they know danged well what the response of the local "carry" types will be. Not so safe.

So, a profusion of concealed, evil handguns, as banned in Britain, maintains the peace here. I mean, human behaviour (See? I even spelled it right, PA!) being what it so reliably is and all..., will not cease, and an unarmed citizenry is subject to the minds of those around it. From a deranged taxi driver (imagine what he could have done with his car?) to an uncontrolled socialist government*

*Note: the socialist government is by far the more dangerous of the two...

Because, as we all know; they know best! In a recent Obama speech, he promised that "government will keep you safe."

Thx, but no Thx.
 
Old 06-03-2010, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Lehigh Acres
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Law-abiding citizens that are allowed to own firearms, are the single largest deterrent to gun violence. That said, the UK sees more gun violence or gun crimes every year, per legal gun owned, than the US could EVER achieve, even if EVERY city was a Detroit or Chicago.
 
Old 06-04-2010, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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I'm not sure there are many freedoms left to take away in the name of "safety" in the UK.

As far as the US goes, new gun control legislation would cause riots and there are Titanicloads (forgive the pun) of other much bigger problems facing Washington right now, so I highly doubt any new laws will come to pass in the near future.
 
Old 06-04-2010, 04:23 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The shooting was extremely uncommon and rare. No system can 100% prevent gun crime and no one ever said the UK sees NO gun crime or that it could NEVER happen here. But fact is, gun crime in the UK is miles lower than in the US. Zeroing in on one or a few highly unusual cases of gun crime in the UK doesn't change that.

I'm not saying I'm anti-gun but facts are facts.
There's more gun crime in the UK (most guns other than some sporting guns banned) per capita than per capita in the State of Vermont (no guns banned, carry without permit).
 
Old 06-05-2010, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there
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I'm not sure there are many freedoms left to take away in the name of "safety" in the UK.

As far as the US goes, new gun control legislation would cause riots and there are Titanicloads (forgive the pun) of other much bigger problems facing Washington right now, so I highly doubt any new laws will come to pass in the near future.
I had to ponder what a "Titanicload" ,was, Chango, versus a "Titanic load". But even if it's a typo, it may be a useful new word!

Frankly, I think Eric Holder had fervent "wet dream" hopes, supported & goaded by his "bud" Barak, of really wringing the necks of us legal, honest gun owners after the upcoming mid-term gains. You know, when they were going to add a few dozen more members to their Senate & House seats? A guaranteed Super-Majority? But sadly for the grabbers, tain't gonna happen, no sir, and so we're probably safe for another few years. Danged Tea-Party types, making people think for themselves. Imagine!

Meantime, the absolute number of legal semi-auto assault rifles in the US grows as more and more veterans from Vietnam forward have complete familiarity with the weapon system, just as our forefathers did with the Kentucky rifle. And it's readily available in calibers from .223 through .458! An acceptable hunting rifle to be sure. Just because a rifle's appearance scares the firearms-illiterate is no reason to ban it, unless you just want to appear to be "doin' sumthin" 'bout crime!". Keeping us all safe, as it were....

Who cares if it has no demonstrable effect, or maybe even increases crimes on defenseless victims?

Regards those Mexican appeals let them take care of their own border and drug cartel gun problems. Sheesh: if they want us 'Murkhans to manage their problems and support them financially, why not turn over their country to us as well?

On second thought, why would we want all their impossible problems?

It will be interesting to see what the British Parliament decide to do, if anything, about the type of weapon used here. A simple shotgun, the last stronghold of the British gun owner!

Hey; remember the political cry: "As the British Empire goes, so goes the world!"???

Let's hope not. I always thought my personally ancestral Brits, who stood up to Hitler so bravely in WW-II, had bigger cajones than they have shown of late.

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Old 06-05-2010, 02:20 PM
 
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Old 06-05-2010, 02:20 PM
 
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I'm not sure there are many freedoms left to take away in the name of "safety" in the UK.

As far as the US goes, new gun control legislation would cause riots and there are Titanicloads (forgive the pun) of other much bigger problems facing Washington right now, so I highly doubt any new laws will come to pass in the near future.
One of the biggest problems facing Washington is the rain almost every day. While England and the state are a similar size and ir rains often in in England, it rains even more in Washington.

Washington is a rather libral state, but the rural fols will always remain armed.

I live apx 3,000 miles from there in New Hampshire, directly named after Hapmshire in England, and I can't say i even know a guy around with out several different kinds of fire arms. No one I know has just one gun. One of my sisters has rather a lot of guns, but she is a dictor for people, another sister I have is some sort of fish doctor and went to school for 16 years after high school. That makes no sence to me either, but she has more guns than my people doctor sister has.

Now i can't fix people or fish, but I can fix most any guns, cars or motorcycles, but I am only a Motor Doctor according to perfect Circle.

You wouldn't start any riots here doing away with the 2nd. You would start another war and one the feds can't win. They know that, and this was proven a few elections back, when a lot of wanna be for life poly tics just went home.

Americans are not subjects of the Govt, the Govt is subject to us, and me I am not subject to much of anything at all, but I do believe I will have another beer. This is still Saturday here, and i just came in from the garden.
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