Which Hampton Roads freeways should have a speed limit increase? (Virginia Beach: how much, live)

[Spazkat9696]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Well, in terms of shoulder width and vertical clearance, I do know for a fact that the westbound tube is substandard for an Interstate. The westbound tube predates the Interstate Highway System, and to have a non-compliant road be designated an Interstate either requires a waiver or must be grandfathered from a previous standard.

In fact, the Monitor-Merrimac Memorial Bridge Tunnel (built at a much later time) was built around a design speed of 60 mph, which is now the current speed limit. If the MMMBT was designed around a speed of 60 mph, why would the HRBT get raised to 65 mph, considering it was designed around a lower speed than the MMMBT.

So you can't provide a link? Just your opinion on what must have happened.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by Spazkat9696

So you can't provide a link? Just your opinion on what must have happened.

Go to page 6:
http://www.portofvirginia.com/pdfs/b...aubreylane.pdf

[Spazkat9696]

Originally Posted by Pink Jazz

Go to page 6:
http://www.portofvirginia.com/pdfs/b...aubreylane.pdf

That has nothing to do with a waiver to make the tunnel part of the interstate system. The issues brought up are related to the well documented psychological effects people experience when driving into a tunnel.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by Spazkat9696

That has nothing to do with a waiver to make the tunnel part of the interstate system. The issues brought up are related to the well documented psychological effects people experience when driving into a tunnel.

Listen up, I am a member of the AARoads forum, and it is a well known fact among us members that the westbound tube is substandard for an Interstate. To get an Interstate designation wouldn't have been possible without a waiver. If a waiver weren't required, then even a narrow residential 25 mph street can be designated as an Interstate, which we know isn't possible.

Also, read this article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inters...hway_standards

Quote from the article:

Standards for Interstate Highways in the United States are defined by the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) in the publication A Policy on Design Standards: Interstate System. For a certain highway to be considered an Interstate Highway, it must meet these construction requirements or obtain a waiver from the Federal Highway Administration.

[Spazkat9696]

I really don't care what anonymous forum you say you are a member of. You have provided no information about the waiver I asked you about. All I want to see is the information on it. I'm not taking your anonymous assumption as fact. I think it would be interesting to read but I can not find any I formation about it. Obviously interstates have standards, and I'm not really seeing why you would compare the HRBT to a neighborhood street when trying to prove a point about interstate designations.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by Spazkat9696

I really don't care what anonymous forum you say you are a member of. You have provided no information about the waiver I asked you about. All I want to see is the information on it. I'm not taking your anonymous assumption as fact. I think it would be interesting to read but I can not find any I formation about it. Obviously interstates have standards, and I'm not really seeing why you would compare the HRBT to a neighborhood street when trying to prove a point about interstate designations.

It seems like you simply want to REFUSE TO ACCEPT FACTS, since the link I posted earlier confirms that the westbound tube is substandard. Fact is, whether you like it or not, is that non-compliant roadways REQUIRE waivers to get Interstate designations as CONFIRMED on Wikipedia, or be grandfathered from an older standard. I don't need to provide a specific source, since ALL HIGHWAYS ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME STANDARDS FOR AN INTERSTATE DESIGNATION. Most waivers from the FHWA are not public record, therefore the burden of denial is on you. AASHTO doesn't assign Interstate numbers to highways just because they feel like it; highways must either MEET INTERSTATE STANDARDS or GET A WAIVER FROM THE FHWA to be assigned as an Interstate.

[Spazkat9696]

Does typing in red caps make you feel better? I haven't refused anything only asked you for proof. BTW wiki is not considered a reliable source.

[Pink Jazz]

Originally Posted by Spazkat9696

Does typing in red caps make you feel better? I haven't refused anything only asked you for proof. BTW wiki is not considered a reliable source.

Well, if there was no waiver, the only other possible scenario is that it was probably grandfathered from older Interstate standards, but does not fully meet current Interstate standards.

[Copperhed51]

The speed limits on 64 and 264 are dangerously slow. Some people are going to drive at whatever speed they feel is appropriate for a certain road in certain conditions. On 64/264 that is often 70mph. Other people are trying to be obedient and are going the posted 55mph speed limit. Ignoring the people going 80 or the people going 50, you have a 15mph difference in speeds from one car to the next.

If everybody was doing 70, it would be safer. If everybody was doing 55, it would be safer. I think it is much more likely that posting a 65mph speed limit will get most people driving between 65-75mph and will lessen the speed differential on the freeways here. Now if people would learn to stay to the right unless they are passing we'd be onto something. Also, for the love of God, please accelerate to the speed of traffic before merging and don't slow down until you are on the off-ramp.

[Willieville81]

Originally Posted by Copperhed51

The speed limits on 64 and 264 are dangerously slow. Some people are going to drive at whatever speed they feel is appropriate for a certain road in certain conditions. On 64/264 that is often 70mph. Other people are trying to be obedient and are going the posted 55mph speed limit. Ignoring the people going 80 or the people going 50, you have a 15mph difference in speeds from one car to the next.

If everybody was doing 70, it would be safer. If everybody was doing 55, it would be safer. I think it is much more likely that posting a 65mph speed limit will get most people driving between 65-75mph and will lessen the speed differential on the freeways here. Now if people would learn to stay to the right unless they are passing we'd be onto something. Also, for the love of God, please accelerate to the speed of traffic before merging and don't slow down until you are on the off-ramp.

^^^^ What he said ^^^^