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Old 02-17-2011, 07:51 PM
 
Location: Kūkiʻo, HI & Manhattan Beach, CA
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Umm no? You are correct about teachers moving close to retirement but ANY county let alone state that has any clue has a cap on years that could be transferred in whether it be 7, 10, 15....NOT 1!
Just be thankful you aren't a police officer. Several years ago, former Washington D.C. Police Chief Charles Moose moved to West O'ahu. Since the Honolulu Police Department doesn't accept lateral transfers, he had to go to the police academy again and start at the bottom as a recruit, despite having years of experience, a Master's degree, and a doctorate.
Moose Joins HPD
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Old 02-17-2011, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Puna, Hawaii
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You do start all over in a different system of seniority when you come here. People want to reward teachers who plan to teach here long-term, as opposed to giving higher salaries to people who just arrived and might stay for a year or two and then move back to the mainland with their degrees that locals invested in the community might not be able to afford. They are probably looking for mainland additions to be young, fresh graduates that aren't already set in the ways of mainland schools and will fit in and assimilate into the workplace. I don't think this policy hurts island schools at all.
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Old 02-17-2011, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Hawaii
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You do start all over in a different system of seniority when you come here. People want to reward teachers who plan to teach here long-term, as opposed to giving higher salaries to people who just arrived and might stay for a year or two and then move back to the mainland with their degrees that locals invested in the community might not be able to afford. They are probably looking for mainland additions to be young, fresh graduates that aren't already set in the ways of mainland schools and will fit in and assimilate into the workplace. I don't think this policy hurts island schools at all.
The system sure isn't working now, so maybe it's time for experienced teachers to be hired from other states.

It is almost impossible to fire a non performing teacher and let's not even talk about mandatory drug testing.

I recent read that a large percentage of teachers here in Hawaii don't even have a teaching degree; some have no degree at all.
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Old 02-18-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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You do start all over in a different system of seniority when you come here. People want to reward teachers who plan to teach here long-term, as opposed to giving higher salaries to people who just arrived and might stay for a year or two and then move back to the mainland with their degrees that locals invested in the community might not be able to afford. They are probably looking for mainland additions to be young, fresh graduates that aren't already set in the ways of mainland schools and will fit in and assimilate into the workplace. I don't think this policy hurts island schools at all.

Not exactly. If you were to put in a cap of so many years for experienced teachers it would be no different. Then if you WANTED to hire all new teachers (like you say) well then you can still do that. They come in on step 1 anyway to start. There is a cap but they decide to go young.

What they are trying to do is get something for nothing....and it's transparent and pathetic.
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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Umm no? You are correct about teachers moving close to retirement but ANY county let alone state that has any clue has a cap on years that could be transferred in whether it be 7, 10, 15....NOT 1!
At least you have been given the option of pursuing a job w/them or not.

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Old 02-18-2011, 01:39 PM
 
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At least you have been given the option of pursuing a job w/them or not. I work for the State as well and had no say, two years ago, in loosing 5% of my salary and it now appears they want another 5%. Not quite sure what
'new directions' our new Governor is taking us.
Wow Koale I am sorry to hear that. For me it's not much of an option. I have 10+ years of teaching experience. Can you imagine moving to a more expensive place AND taking almost a 50% pay cut?
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Old 02-18-2011, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Hawaii
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Teaching in Hawaii would be like teaching in the intercity except the weather would be warmer and there's palm trees.

I'm not trying to negative but it's pretty bad here.
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:35 PM
 
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Wow Koale I am sorry to hear that. For me it's not much of an option. I have 10+ years of teaching experience. Can you imagine moving to a more expensive place AND taking almost a 50% pay cut?
Geez, are you sure you're not from Wisconsin?
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Old 02-18-2011, 03:43 PM
 
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Just remember, like all people and other business Hawaii dept of education has cost few other states have. Electruicity cost for the schools are above average. Shipping in books desk and supplies cost more than anywhere else besides remote Alsska. Like everywhere charter schools get public money but can pick the best, the public schools have to accept all. Gasoline for school vehicles and buses are the highest in the nation with no alternate fuel option that comes with fed money to help. They also have many islands and that cost money to administer accross wide spaces of water. I bet if you took Hawaii education and plopped in in the middle of the Great plains, the system would change fore the better.
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Old 02-18-2011, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Maybe they saw your poor grammar on these postings. If you have been keeping up with local news you would know they are consolidating and closing down schools to cut spending. It wouldn't surprise me if they would take other measures to limit personnel cost. In any case best of luck and with the experience and education you have, you could probably land a decent private school job.
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