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Old 01-02-2014, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Caught this in the inflight magazine:

Hana Hou: The Magazine of Hawaiian Airlines - Current Issue

"According to the US Census, in 2011 57,542 people migrated from the Mainland to Hawai‘i, while 61,940 packed up and left. That’s a net loss of 4,398 residents"

"In the 1990s Hawai‘i led the nation in per capita loss due to migration"

"Why do people leave paradise? Ask those exiting and you’ll get an earful: $9 gallons of milk, pterodactyl-size cockroaches, poorly rated public schools, volcanic smog, insanely priced beach shacks. Often it boils down to two simple facts: They can’t find a job and they miss family elsewhere."

"Everybody’s heard horror stories of failed attempts. One poor fellow didn’t make it past Honolulu Airport: Thieves at baggage claim relieved him of his worldly possessions. Without cash or identification, he couldn’t even retrieve his dog from quarantine" OUCH!

"The Hollands’ tale is especially unfortunate. They built their dream home on Baldwin Beach on Maui, only to have it condemned before they could move in. It seems that the county improperly authorized building permits and later rescinded them. The Hollands endured years of litigation before surrendering their property for half of its market value"

"If you’re f.o.b. (fresh off the boat), locals are hesitant to hire you, rent to you or date you until you’ve survived six months, preferably more. It’s too risky; you probably won’t stick around. "
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Old 01-02-2014, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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I found this part particularly interesting:

"The Hawaiian Islands, still molten and rife with temperamental deities, seem to accept some people and spit others out."
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Old 01-02-2014, 04:59 PM
 
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Doesn't surprise me, it's run by Democrats.
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Old 01-02-2014, 05:59 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Caught this in the inflight magazine:

Hana Hou: The Magazine of Hawaiian Airlines - Current Issue

"According to the US Census, in 2011 57,542 people migrated from the Mainland to Hawai‘i, while 61,940 packed up and left. That’s a net loss of 4,398 residents"
And yet the total population has increased, by 12.3% from 2000 to 2010, so that stat, all by itself, doesn't really mean a lot. It's a far more complex situation than one might think at first glance. For one thing those migration figures include military transfers in, and military transfers out, so when there are troop buildups in Hawai'i net migrations skew positive, and when they are winding down, net migrations skew negative.

Another thing to account for is that the average age in Hawai'i is trending upwards, and there's an increased population in each of the older age groups. Part of this shift is due to falling birth rates and rising longevity, but according to many sources a significant part of the change is due to the fact that older people are moving in, while younger people are moving out. IOW, there's good indication that for the most part they are not the same populations. Native Hawaiians moving to the mainland for better educational and economic opportunities are a well-known source of out-migration.

We'd have to see a breakdown of exactly who was coming in and who was leaving in order to better understand the situation with any confidence.
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Old 01-02-2014, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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And yet the total population has increased, by 12.3% from 2000 to 2010, so that stat, all by itself, doesn't really mean a lot.
More births than deaths due to higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates account for the rise in population.

All the article is saying the trend of net migration losses from the 90s which on a per capita basis are the highest in the nation continue today.

If the military is included I would expect that would skew the numbers in a positive fashion due to wind downs of Iraq and Afghanistan and the stated position in recent years to make Hawaii a military fortress buffer to protect US interests in Asia.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:08 PM
 
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So just how long until no one is living in Hawaii any longer?

I need my space
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Old 01-02-2014, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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I need my space
Just speaking for myself, I want to thank you for contributing to the steady increase in the average age of Hawaiian residents.
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Old 01-03-2014, 12:29 PM
 
Location: East Fallowfield, PA
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Well, if all goes well for us; we will increase the 60+ retired group later this year or early next year. Of course we'll also increase the teen population, since we'll have our teenage grandson with us! WooHoo!
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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Retired with minion! That's a great thing. He can lift all the heavy packages.

I saw that in Hana Hou, too, and forgot about it after getting off the plane. I did wonder how they got their numbers.

Shouldn't Hawaii be promoting itself as a retirement location? Then we have folks moving here with pensions and such which is more income for the island and they will buy things like food and use services without needing employment. Kinda like college students with less skateboard park requirements. Wouldn't this be a good thing?
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Old 01-03-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Shouldn't Hawaii be promoting itself as a retirement location? Then we have folks moving here with pensions and such which is more income for the island and they will buy things like food and use services without needing employment. Kinda like college students with less skateboard park requirements. Wouldn't this be a good thing?
Hawaii for most retiree's is just to expensive - and for many, the remoteness isn't appealing away from family and friends. Not seeing children or grandchildren is an issue for many - missing birthdays and special events are hard - and with so so healthcare, that can be an issue also.

On the flip side there are plenty of retiree's - just not what you would see in Florida or Arizona.
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