Why is the British flag in your flag? (teaching, dog)

[Kawena]

Originally Posted by motownewave

Why though would an independent nation WANT the flag of a foreign power (especially one that was known for horribly oppressing and raping dozens of countries)? I'm surprised the US upon conquering Hawaii didn't have the flag redesigned. And remember, the current British flag was created when the British conquered Ireland (the British loved Ireland for its land, but hated the Irish people, thus edited the previous flag to have a third cross for Ireland).

If you taking about Britain... dint they leave the Hawaiian kingdom intact? "


Treaty between the Kingdom of Hawaii and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

MARCH 26TH, 1846."

you mention a foreign power, oppression, raping other countries... why would they want a flag like that that...

Hmmm..... the american flag flies still today.

[Buckeye77]

As an FYI - I wanted to buy a State flag (to go with my US flag and my Ohio flag), so I looked at various big box retailers in Kona and Hilo. Usually got a blank look when I asked about it. Ended up ordering one on line. Cheapest made flag I've ever seen. Shipped from California. I didn't check but certainly made in China.

Wonder why the retailers don't stock them.
Mahalo

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by Hoot N Annie

As an FYI - I wanted to buy a State flag (to go with my US flag and my Ohio flag), so I looked at various big box retailers in Kona and Hilo. Usually got a blank look when I asked about it. Ended up ordering one on line. Cheapest made flag I've ever seen. Shipped from California. I didn't check but certainly made in China.

Wonder why the retailers don't stock them.
Mahalo

I grew up in Illinois and moved to California before going to Hawaii - and I'm hard pressed to think where I would've bought CA and IL state flags - so I don't think it is a Hawaii thing. Definitely lots of US flags flying on Oahu though.

[Kawena]

http://hawaiiankingdom.org/blog/wp-c...Collection.jpg

The second portrait is also called a flagship that has both the national flag and the royal flag. The royal flag, also called the royal ensign, is a flag that signals the presence of the Hawaiian monarch and in this portrait it signaled the presence of Kamehameha II on board. The royal ensign also flies at the residence of the Hawaiian monarch and wherever the monarch travels.

[KaraBenNemsi]

The flag is intelligently designed for the times it was created: Protection and alliances with the UK and USA.

If The UK would have taken over the reigns the state would be part of the Commonwealth today. Canada, NZ, and Australia its closest allies. Cars be driven on the left and the British kings & queens on stamps and coins.

More focus on pacific trade as a source of income would have been given, tax & corporate oasis first for US citizens and later for asian countries as well. Tourism would have been strong and cuisine lousy. Healthcare system much better, military less or with Pearl Harbor used as a NATO base for international and mostly US ships. Pearl HArbor attack would have happened anyways.

If Hawaiian citizens would have produced someone like Mahatma Gandhi..naah, would have not worked here. Corruption of officials would have started in the sixties along with more independence from Britain. Most likely the reggae-fication of the current local music (and drug culture being a major trade hub for opium) would have started earlier. Most likely unique Hawaiian products would have been better protected legally (copyrights, regional ag products names, craft work). We could have had some funny laws like Singapore where chewing gum is forbidden.

Plus exceptionally tea would be grown everywhere in Hawaii, prized around the world more than any other.

If the Russians, Japanese or Germans would have taken over they would have lost the islands again in World War I or II. If the French would have taken Hawaii we would have another Haiti on our hands. So far my educated speculations. I can't fathom independence because with so much military around at the time which one would have protected Hawaii from whom, and at what price?!

That's where the queens dilemma came from and therefore she put TWO superpowers into the flag.

[Kawena]

one time I was doing a set up for APEC... I learneded something. ALL flags from every country has to be hung at the same hight..

UH Hilo to fly US, Hawaii flag at equal heights

UH Hilo to fly US, Hawaii flag at equal heights - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by Kawena

one time I was doing a set up for APEC... I learneded something. ALL flags from every country has to be hung at the same hight..



UH Hilo to fly US, Hawaii flag at equal heights - Hawaii News Now - KGMB and KHNL

Since Hawaii is not a country - we should at least clarify the rules for flying a state flag regarding your link. The below applies to all 50 states.

When on the same pole - it is customary for the US flag to be higher than a state flag.

If they have their own poles, the US flag should be at the viewers left and can be at the same height as a state flag - and with several state flags flown at the same time, it is customary the US flag is at the center, slightly higher than the state flags. State flags cannot be larger than a displayed US flag. US flags are the first raised - and the last lowered. No flag should be raised above the US flag.

[Kawena]

Originally Posted by whtviper1

Since Hawaii is not a country - we should at least clarify the rules for flying a state flag regarding your link. The below applies to all 50 states.


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Hawaii is not? some people will not agree. you best be telling the people in Hilo.... and you also send Macdonalds a memo while you at it.


props to Macdeez!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ7mhuiGHiw

[whtviper1]

Long live McDonald's

[thejackalope]

Originally Posted by motownewave

Now I have to ask: do indigenous Hawaiians know about the atrocities committed against the Australian aborigines? I'm sure Aussie aborigines (the Polynesian distant cousins of Hawaiians) had no say in their country's flag design, as Australia unlike Hawaii became a mostly white nation under British rule.

Aborigines aren't Polynesian. They are descended from migrants out of Africa that preceded the other migrations out of Africa, with some Melanesian mixed in