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Old 02-05-2021, 03:57 PM
 
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As predicted - State is proposing 20% pay cut for most State employees. (What the article doesn't say - but what I do know, is they are looking at May 1 for the pay cuts)
May 1, 2020! Same as it ever was.
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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In exchange for? First off I wonder how many this actually affected and second, usually this is negotiated for perks in the future.
There was no negotiation - it was unilaterally imposed on State Workers - 10,160 of them. The unions went to court - and lost
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:17 PM
 
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Geez. there doesn't have to be a direct link. So 9 months ago 20% cuts were supposed to happen and not they are not. Yee Haw!
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Old 02-05-2021, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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And what the Governor hasn't told people is the revenue plan assumes new taxes will be approved - one is fairly public, the sugar tax - other are not. They are also going to ratchet up GET enforcement - especially Uber/Lyft drivers, doordash, etc - they think they can go back several years and with penalties and it will be a substantial windfall......
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Old 02-05-2021, 05:15 PM
 
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Your thread title is ," proposing 20% pay cuts ". As I understand it the 2009 action was to do 24 furlough Fridays over 2 years. So they didn't get a pay cut they got unpaid time off. Big Difference. A lot of people, me included would gladly take an extra 24 3 day weekends. See how many employers would gladly take that deal if it was proposed by the employee.
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Old 02-05-2021, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Your thread title is ," proposing 20% pay cuts ". As I understand it the 2009 action was to do 24 furlough Fridays over 2 years. So they didn't get a pay cut they got unpaid time off. Big Difference. A lot of people, me included would gladly take an extra 24 3 day weekends. See how many employers would gladly take that deal if it was proposed by the employee.
Not everyone can easily afford a 13.8% pay cut - especially teachers. Sure, I'm suppose like the 3 day weekends and didn't mind the pay cut - I certainly doubt the majority were thrilled with it. A $60,000/yr teacher going to a salary of under $52,000 doesn't sit well with everyone. You are sort of being Marie Antoinette let them eat cake like.

In terms of the thread - the Governor last year announced a 20% cut - effective May. Then he pushed the timeframe back. Then it became a 10% cut - and now, no cut in 2021. Of course, he will have to walk that back if States don't get massive Fed Federal and if the tax hikes are not approved.
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Old 02-05-2021, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Not everyone can easily afford a 13.8% pay cut - especially teachers. Sure, I'm suppose like the 3 day weekends and didn't mind the pay cut - I certainly doubt the majority were thrilled with it. A $60,000/yr teacher going to a salary of under $52,000 doesn't sit well with everyone. You are sort of being Marie Antoinette let them eat cake like.

In terms of the thread - the Governor last year announced a 20% cut - effective May. Then he pushed the timeframe back. Then it became a 10% cut - and now, no cut in 2021. Of course, he will have to walk that back if States don't get massive Fed Federal and if the tax hikes are not approved.
Few single teachers are able to get by on their teaching salaries alone. Many/most have second jobs waitressing, bartending, dancing at luaus, etc.

For married teachers, both usually work to make ends meet.

A pay cut or furlough would force many of them into additional side gigs to compensate.

Working 12-14 hours a day must negatively impact their classroom effectiveness.
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Old 02-05-2021, 10:35 PM
 
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Good news is, teacher unions throughout the United States just got a quarter of a trillion dollars in funding. Good for them. Sucks for Keystone XL pipeline workers. Nothing for them.
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Old 02-06-2021, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Lahaina, Hi.
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Good news about the threat of furloughs being rescinded!

Currently, all teachers report to their school sites daily for online teaching and many have students, in-class, in limited numbers.

Fortunately vaccines are on the way and school is expected to return to normal after that.
Just a follow up: San Diego schools that recently reopened were forced to close again 2 days later with 81 students and 18 staff members now under quarantine.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/more...105922640.html
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Old 02-06-2021, 03:41 PM
 
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Just a follow up: San Diego schools that recently reopened were forced to close again 2 days later with 81 students and 18 staff members now under quarantine.


https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/more...105922640.html
What the point? That schools should be closed until there is no more covid? By that logic, then schools need to be closed down during flu season.

What was unforeseen is, as many parents have learned how to figure a way of keeping their children educated while not in school, many parents will opt out of their kids going back to failing schools. Being schools are funded by enrollment, there is a backlash that was not foreseen. Less money to schools, less teachers, less dues to the unions who has pushed for schools to remain closed.

Teacher unions are their own worst enemy and are a scam, but they always seem to get bailed out. $225 billion is in the Covid bill and $70 billion still remains unspent.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj...ls-11612392369

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