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Old 02-08-2021, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Again, why would the government care about our population growing? How does that benefit them for our population to not grow?
Resources and money are finite. Too many people people puts a burden on resources and costs money.
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Old 02-08-2021, 06:15 PM
 
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To provides incentives to have less children. You only need a fertility rate of 2.1 to keep the population stable - and you don't really need anywhere close to 2.1 when you consider immigration.



While I agree there would be some benefits to limiting population growth, I don't think many people would like the implications of that on the economy. The expanding economy, stock markets, real estate, etc., that most people now rely on to build wealth need an expanding population to continue to grow.
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Old 02-08-2021, 06:19 PM
 
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Resources and money are finite. Too many people people puts a burden on resources and costs money.
Our rulers just print more. All is good. Here is a novel idea, how about give them nothing. Since when is it the responsibility of our representative government to feed the children of those who choose to be irresponsible? The downfall of that is, the government becomes less powerful.
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Old 02-08-2021, 07:09 PM
 
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Our rulers just print more. the government becomes less powerful.
I probably shouldn't but who are these people?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...69&FORM=VDQVAP
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:17 AM
 
Location: HONOLULU
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Do you think Governor David Ige is running out of money by now? I don't think he is getting any fan fare from the tourism industry. In December 2020, hotel occupancy in Hawai'i was at 23.8% filled across the state of Hawai'i. This is definitely a recession in the tourist industry. There are no tourist coming to Hawai'i. That means all the hotels have either temporary closed their operation or laid off most of their workers due to this down turn in passenger arrivals into the state of Hawai'i. Big deal? Okay. But no one is getting any thing out of this pandemic. No money. Nothing.
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Old 02-09-2021, 12:57 PM
 
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I probably shouldn't but who are these people?
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...69&FORM=VDQVAP
Depends whether or not you believe we are ruled or governed. I lean more toward the former.
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Old 02-09-2021, 01:19 PM
 
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Depends whether or not you believe we are ruled or governed. I lean more toward the former.
So you voted for rulers? Pretty sure it does not work that way.
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Old 02-09-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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Conceptually I like the concept of paying for not having children rather than paying people to have more and more children.
Why not just make it more inconvenient to have more children. Paying poor people just doesn't sit quite right with me but I can see it as a short term remedy. It is not just poor people that have too many children. See my earlier post mentioning sports people that have multiple kids with multiple mothers. Even if the sports stars keep their wealth these children are not going to get the attention they need. I say you should have to do a certain amount of service time per child that would contribute to your involvement with that child. Maybe a 2 week stint working in their school per child. Maybe pay them if they are under a certain income threshold. Require the employers to provide the time but not the pay. That seems more fair.
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Old 02-09-2021, 03:39 PM
 
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So you voted for rulers? Pretty sure it does not work that way.
It definitely works that way. You just don’t see it. Do you really believe we are governed any more?
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Old 02-09-2021, 03:45 PM
 
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Why not just make it more inconvenient to have more children. Paying poor people just doesn't sit quite right with me but I can see it as a short term remedy. It is not just poor people that have too many children. See my earlier post mentioning sports people that have multiple kids with multiple mothers. Even if the sports stars keep their wealth these children are not going to get the attention they need. I say you should have to do a certain amount of service time per child that would contribute to your involvement with that child. Maybe a 2 week stint working in their school per child. Maybe pay them if they are under a certain income threshold. Require the employers to provide the time but not the pay. That seems more fair.
That’s a pipe dream. Will never happen. They are exactly where the government wants them, dependent upon them. The more people are dependent on the government the more powerful the government becomes. They will just print more money making it less valuable and they become even more powerful. The ruling elite does not care if the system comes crashing down, they have all insulated themselves.

The government will always pump money to the teachers unions. That’s too much a major voting block to ignore and a great place for children to be indoctrinated.

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