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Old 09-28-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Now, back to the fun stuff!

Did you know that Hawaii was the first state to start with the letter H?
Nice try, but that belongs on a different thread. This one is about the sale of disputed Hawaiian lands, and the attempt to restore an archaic form of government to benefit the members of one tiny special class.

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Old 09-28-2013, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Did you know that Hawaii was the first state to start with the letter H?
Did you know that in Hawaii - people drink Mai Tai's? Please share your story of unique local Hawaii culture here.
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Old 09-28-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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I love this song. It reminds me of when I was young and had a runny nose!


OFFICIAL Somewhere over the Rainbow - Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwo



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Old 09-28-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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That's it? That's all you've got?

You broke the rules here* by dismissing me as having diminished mental capacity due to taking drugs, which is close to being the most offensive false statement you could possibly make about me, and then your only response to being called out for your violation is to mock me for being offended?

And yet you want folks today to join your demand to make amends now for a 120 old mistake, fomented by other people who are long dead against other people who are long dead?? I find that to be a hypocritical position, since you won't make an apology yourself to someone you've deeply offended right now, right here.

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TOS thats interesting....

120 year old mistake.... the life you live many of the things you enjoy in it, has been brought upon by the mistake some dead people made soo long ago, most people call that mistake an illegal act. There was an apology for that, so called mistake....... by you. apology accepted!!! I am sorry were you a US citizen when the then prez Bill Clinton apologized? made some 120 years ago. if so then you apologized for the mistake some dead people now fix the mistake

you're feeling deeply offended. wow thats interesting.... how so? please elaborate. did I say you were doing drugs? if so what kind? you don't smoke? I smoke all the time... Tako..... pork, fish.. the list goes on buggah is gooood!!

I ask no one to join my demand, I want nothing more to educate people to what's going on here in hawaii. They have a mind they can make their choice as to what they want in their lives. i could go on and on of the atrocities the US does world wide, then again some one said something about making the "WOLRD" a better place to live in if they using US as a role model..... OUCH..
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Old 09-28-2013, 04:42 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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I love this song. It reminds me of when I was young and had a runny nose!


OFFICIAL Somewhere over the Rainbow - Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwo



IZ a true Hawaiian!! another song he sings is that of... listen an you can here for yourself....

Ua Mau Ke Ea - A Film by Kau`i Sai Dudoit - About The Film & Film Maker


Hawaii '78 - IZ - YouTube
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Old 09-28-2013, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Im Native American not Kanaka Maoli but i believe as distant family we share common experiences that can bridge the gap of difference between us
But I'm family too. Literally.

Genetic science has established that every single human being who is alive today is related to everyone else, because we all share the same small group of common ancestors who lived millions of years ago in Africa. It's just that on the great migration out of Africa my branch of the family turned left at the Middle East and headed Northwest into Europe, while yours turned right and headed to the Northeast or Southeast corners of Asia, and then on from there.

I've spent my entire adult life working to defuse racial conflicts and tear down barriers to equality. My personal view is that anything a person inherited... their race, gender, parents, family, country, color of skin or eyes, body type, texture of skin or earwax, blood type, innate intelligence, physical size, date of birth, etc. ... is completely out of their control, and therefore it is irrational for people to judge others for any of those factors. I believe that wholeheartedly, and I teach it to others as I am able.

And though I was born into a level of high regard, as a smart blonde blue-eyed member of the White Bread n' Mayo tribe of the American Midwest (missing only the "rich and powerful" top rung), like most adult human beings everywhere, I've had personal experiences which touch all the same corners of human emotion that yours do, and I'm open and sensitive to other views than my own. For these reasons I claim membership in that same family that you see yourselves in. So I'm not willing to support any political action which is based on division and exclusion.

Matter of fact, as I've educated myself on the issues and history brought up by this discussion, my own position has gradually changed. I came into this thinking that something like the Akaka Bill, granting some level of tribal autonomy and "home rule" within the boundaries of the established Hawaiian Homeland, much as First Nation people have on their reservations, was something I could support.

But now that I understand the bigger picture, including how manifestly unfair the deposed Hawaiian monarachy of 1893 and its predecessors were to almost everyone except those at the very top, I want nothing to do with it. It patently deserves to be relegated to the scrap heap.

For all its faults and shortcomings, and all our ongoing struggles to improve it, our Modern American system of representative democracy is the best form of government yet developed. And I'll now say its principles should be applied openly, fairly, and inclusively to management of all "Homeland" property in Hawai'i, and the benefits of that current special "set aside" should be made available to all citizens equally who have authentic Hawaiian ancestry of any kind, regardless of Kanaka Maoli "blood quantum." It's only fair. We're really all family.

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Old 09-28-2013, 04:49 PM
 
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IZ a true Hawaiian!! another song he sings is that of... listen an you can here for yourself....

Ua Mau Ke Ea - A Film by Kau`i Sai Dudoit - About The Film & Film Maker


Hawaii '78 - IZ - YouTube



Now we're having fun!
I love IZ's music. I have all his CDs, DVDs and a book about his life. Sad that he went so young.

Here's another favorite of mine!


OFFICIAL Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwo

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Old 09-28-2013, 05:01 PM
 
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I've spent my entire adult life working to defuse racial conflicts and tear down barriers to equality. My personal view is that anything a person inherited... their race, gender, parents, family, country, color of skin or eyes, body type, texture of skin or earwax, blood type, innate intelligence, physical size, date of birth, etc. ... is completely out of their control, and therefore it is irrational for people to judge others for any of those factors. I believe that wholeheartedly, and I teach it to others as I am able.





The only true race is the human race - CNN.com

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Old 09-28-2013, 06:56 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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I think you have made this a race thing. I never suggested racism, but logic says that we are talking Kanakas because its them who lost there nation and etc. Did the Americans, japanese, chinese etc etc lose Hawai'i when the Hawai'ian kingdom was overthrown? No, so the damage was to who? Kanakas. This is why i mention only them.

@OpenD

Your offended? It doesnt even describe how natives like myself and Kawena feel when despite the evidence presented, that you can't even admit the reasonable possiblity of wrongdoing.

Sudden Rush " Paradise Found " KU'E - YouTube
This is the sovereignty i support but can't happen intel yo admit a wrong happened and try to fix it.

Sudden Rush - "Hawaii 3000 (Hawai'i 78 Reloaded)" (ft. Uncle Willie K) - YouTube

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Old 09-28-2013, 06:57 PM
 
Location: mainland but born oahu
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Bruddah Iz version better, but this covers modern issues.
For the younger at heart generation.
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