03-11-2010, 09:51 AM
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Hi everyone,
First post here. My wife and I are heading to Maui next month to scope it out. We've been thinking about moving to Hawaii, but probably just for a year or two. We'd like to live there, but both our families are here in VA so we couldn't do a permanent move. I've read tons of posts about lack of work and poor schools, but I can take my job with me and make decent money (130K ish) and my kids would be homeschooled while we were there. We would just rent a house and live as simply as possible for a year or two. For all of you don't-move-here doomsayers, does this sound like a recipe that would work?
03-11-2010, 09:55 AM
Location: Hawaii
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With $130K you'll be good to go; as far as homeschooling goes that I don't know.
03-11-2010, 10:04 AM
Location: Dover
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Yeah of course $130K would definitely be good. I'm not too sure about homeschooling so I cannot help you there. I'm not too sure why you would only stay in Hawaii for two years though. I mean, you're going to be moving all the way from VA to Hawaii, moving your family, moving your things, and only stay here for a couple years. Not too sure if it would even be worth it. Sounds more like a vacation rather than a living experience - If you get what I'm saying.
03-11-2010, 10:25 AM
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One additional question. My wife is a labor and delivery nurse. I know there's only one hospital on the island, so does anyone know if the lack of jobs extends to nursing as well?
As to why we'd only stay for a year or so, like I said in the original post, we have too many ties to this area to stay permanently. But we both scuba dive and the kids love the beach, so we don't want to just come for a week or two of vacation either. We figure a year or two would be the sweet spot.
03-11-2010, 11:01 AM
Location: Hawaii-Puna District
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Since you have a decent income stream and will be homeschooling, there really isn't a down side. Your children will gain from the move in ways that you probably have not even thought of. The diversity of the population will help them to learn about other peoples and cultures that could not be learned anywhere on the mainland. They will carry this knowledge and understanding with them the rest of their lives.
The only downside is that by not being in "regular school" they will have a tougher time in making new friends. For this reason, I would try to get them into a charter school, or go ahead and get them into one of the private schools. (What grades are they in?)
03-11-2010, 11:09 AM
Location: Kansas City, MO
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One additional question. My wife is a labor and delivery nurse. I know there's only one hospital on the island, so does anyone know if the lack of jobs extends to nursing as well?
As to why we'd only stay for a year or so, like I said in the original post, we have too many ties to this area to stay permanently. But we both scuba dive and the kids love the beach, so we don't want to just come for a week or two of vacation either. We figure a year or two would be the sweet spot.
Have you looked through the jobs listings on the hospitals website? There is a constant supply of at least 15-20 RN openings there. She may have to work in something other than Labor and Delivery, but she shouldn't have trouble finding work as an RN as far as I can tell.
My wife and I are in a similar situation, but without kids. I can move there with my work but will take a pay cut from about $115k to about $80k. I will have to travel back about 6-7 times a year (paid for) for 10 days to 2 weeks at a time, which shouldn't be too bad. My wife is a pediatric burn nurse, which is a very small specialty, but can work in other areas without issue. From what we have seen nursing salaries, depending on education and experience, will be between $60k-$70k/yr in Maui. We have our home on the market here and are in the process of selling it and getting all of our dogs paperwork in order for direct release in Maui.
Good luck with the move!
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03-11-2010, 11:17 AM
Location: Moku Nui, Hawaii
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It seems like it would be a good "vacation" for you to live on Maui for a couple of years. You will probably have a hard time making true friends but the folks will probably be friendly. Folks who live on these islands are pretty picky about becoming friends with folks that have just moved over from the mainland because it hurts too much when they leave. So, since you are going to be transient from the get go, folks will be pleasant to you and all, but you probably won't get to the tight level of friendship.
03-11-2010, 11:18 AM
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By the time I get there, the kids will be in 6th, 5th and 2nd grades. As for cultures, they're already color blind. We lived in Alexandria VA for a while and were the only white people in our apt complex. Where we are now is not quite like that, but very mixed. I'm excited about the science and nature educational opportunities the most.
03-11-2010, 04:08 PM
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I hate to be the devil's advocate here, but really? Why would you ever move anywhere for no real reason and the expectation of moving away in two years or less? It seems like way more time, money and effort than it is really worth.
You'll be putting a lot of stress on your children, moving them away from everything they know, only to move them again just as they begin to settle down.
I can't tell what you do for a living, but a 2 year relocation seems like it would put a pretty big dent in anyone's career advancement strategies.
You'll be taking a pay cut the size of which could support a small family.
It seems like an awful lot of cons, especially when you consider that you'll have to give up on all the pros as soon as you move away again. The beauty of a vacation is that you come back home and pick up exactly where you left off. Seems like a 2 year "vacation" to Hawaii would put you way behind where you started once you move back.
That said, don't let me stop you. Moving to Hawaii is a laudable dream.
It just seems that you might be happier/better off moving somewhere warm and coastal on the mainland, given that staying with your family is important and the only real reason you've given for wanting to move is that "the kids love the beach." Florida perhaps? Or even California?
03-11-2010, 08:56 PM
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Gee, some folks on here sure seem to be unreasonably negative, don't they.
My husband and I are seriously considering and researching a move to Maui that sounds like it would be similar to yours. He already works from home and has a virtual staff all over the country - so location isn't an issue for his job. I currently homeschool our 3 children (ages 8, 5 and 3) and we would probably continue to do so on Maui. We have friends (the Pastor of Kihei Baptist Chapel for all you locals) who have children in the local elementary school and charter middle & highschools and have so far been pleased with their experiences there.
Not sure if you found this yet, but this gives a list of homeschooling groups:
Homeschool World: Hawaii Homeschool Organizations and Support Groups It looks like they are all religiously affiliated - not sure if that floats your boat or not.
You might also consider the Virtual Academy if you're new to homeschooling. You are technically enrolled in the public school, but do all coursework at home and meet with a teacher quarterly for field trips and slightly more often for progress reviews.
Kihei Charter School You can also read a lot of reviews of the curriculum here:
HomeSchoolReviews.com K12 Curriculum Reviews As with all curricula, the question is usually "does this fit us?" not if it's good or bad.
We were in Maui last week and did quite a bit of snooping around. Prices at the Farmers Market (retail healthfood type store) in Lahaina were pretty out-of-this-world. However, we went to Costco and found that things are really not that much more than the mainland. I know my Costco prices pretty well since I shop there for groceries nearly every week here in Austin. Here's somethings I noticed:
Clothing = exact same prices at my costco yesterday
Electronics = within $10-30 on big ticket items, same price on small ticket items
Household goods = generally the same or 5-10% more
metal wrought iron bench $39.99 vs $29.99 here in Austin
large ceramic posts $29 in both places
Groceries
ground beef $2.99 (same as here)
organic ground beef $12.99 (for 3 lbs, same as Austin)
tortilla chips $4.39 here they are $3.29
sliced ham sandwich meat, costco packaged $3.29lb same as Austin
Columbus pack sandwich meat $12.99 vs $9.99 in Austin
party tray sliced cheese $9.99 vs $7.99 here
organic milk, 1.5 gallons $8.69 CHEAPER than Austin at $9.59
organic salad mix and/or spinach mix, large box $6.99 almost TWICE as much as $3.99 here (obviously this is a highly perishable item flown in from CA)
2lb clamshell of strawberries $7.99 vs. $5.99 here in Austin
organic apples $8.99 vs $7.99 here
cheerios $6.99 a box, same as here
coffee, hawaii brands $9.99 2lbs vs $12.99 for Austin packaged brand here
3 pack of mellons $8.99 (not sure of Austin price on this)
Now obviously that list is not exhaustive, but we wanted to check out the normal stuff we buy and see what the 'reality' of prices were. There very well may be some items that are way more expensive that I missed at costco, but the things I saw were really very reasonable. I don't shop exclusively at Costco here in Austin, and I do expect that our overall food bill will be higher once we're on Maui. That being said, it was comforting to see how reasonable Costco was - still cheaper than shopping at Walmart or a chain grocery here on the mainland.
As far as the 2 year plan - I say go for it! Maybe you will just stay for 2 years and have wonderful memories of those years with your kids. Maybe you'll be hooked and make it permanent. Either way, isn't so much of life flavored by our attitudes and expectations? Sounds like a grand adventure and a perfect age for your kids to embark on it. I'll be curious to see how your decision process goes!
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Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)