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Old 07-11-2020, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Early America
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Does it? Where is the evidence for any of this? Other than scientists saying so?
Yes. The evidence is in the Epigenetics field of science.

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I thought that the The Plant Paradox wast about lectins in plants...possible removing those are responsible for your good health? What about reaching plans reducing carbs helping with blood sugar. There could be tons of reasons other than bacteria?
I wasn't commenting on his diet OR suggesting that his particular diet is the way to go. There are likely a number of other eating patterns that would have afforded him the same results. Many people have done it in different ways. We all have different genetics, ya know. He is obviously eating healthier, and in a way that agrees with him genetically, than he was when he was overweight, had high blood pressure, etc., which can alter gene expression.
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Old 07-11-2020, 03:06 PM
 
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Yes. The evidence is in the Epigenetics field of science.

Uh huh... haven't seen any yet and as i said, I read Science Daily, daily.
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Early America
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Uh huh... haven't seen any yet and as i said, I read Science Daily, daily.
Science Daily is your only source for research? I think I am beginning to understand the problem, and your misplaced criticism.

Alrighty then.



For those who don't know: Science Daily aggregates "some" research news and it's edited by the married couple who own the site. The site is supported entirely by ad revenue, according to them, which means they select news that will attract the most visitors. It's true that some of what they publish is ridiculous but that is what attracts more eyeballs, and there is very little, if any, follow-up research news on any findings. Nothing comprehensive will be found here. It's more of an entertainment site.
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:02 PM
 
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I just read a study that found people who take certain antacids/heartburn meds have a higher risk of getting Covid, because the antacids (only certain ones, called Proton pump inhibitors) kill gut bacteria and make it more hospitable for the virus to replicate. So I don't think it's a scam that gut bacteria plays a bigger role in health than we knew previously.


https://time.com/5863532/covid-19-heartburn/





"Previous studies have found that people taking PPI medications can be at higher risk of certain infections, including C.difficile (common in hospitals). That’s because the drugs reduce stomach acid, and acid is one way the body kills off potentially harmful bacteria and viruses. However, Spiegel was surprised at “just how large the effect seemed to be.â€
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:07 PM
 
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"Previous studies have found that people taking PPI medications can be at higher risk of certain infections, including C.difficile (common in hospitals). That’s because the drugs reduce stomach acid, and acid is one way the body kills off potentially harmful bacteria and viruses. However, Spiegel was surprised at “just how large the effect seemed to be.â€
As I noted in the original post I don't deny that there is a gut mcrobiome or that it might have effects. My issue is with the constant acting as if bacteria is the cause of everything and we need more money to find a solution to this new problem we found....I think the thread is played out.. when people stop paying attention to the original thesis.
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:09 PM
 
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For those who don't know: Science Daily aggregates "some" research news and it's edited by the married couple who own the site. The site is supported entirely by ad revenue, according to them, which means they select news that will attract the most visitors. It's true that some of what they publish is ridiculous but that is what attracts more eyeballs, and there is very little, if any, follow-up research news on any findings. Nothing comprehensive will be found here. It's more of an entertainment site.
Blrug, I did know that but all they are doing is reporting studies which comes out... those studies have to be there for them to select them...

But no... I just read a lot and science daily is one of the main websites
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:37 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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As I noted in the original post I don't deny that there is a gut mcrobiome or that it might have effects. My issue is with the constant acting as if bacteria is the cause of everything and we need more money to find a solution to this new problem we found....I think the thread is played out.. when people stop paying attention to the original thesis.
Sorry we can't all agree with you on this one - we're having a discussion...

So, what is your definition of "constant" acting like it is the cause of "everything" - that seems like an overstatement of the research. You almost sound jealous, I'm just not sure of what - like it's an idea you don't like but it's getting a lot of attention or something?
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:40 PM
 
Location: The Bubble, Florida
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Ohh no don't try to blame this on alternative medicine. Every day I read "science daily" and every day there is a "allegedly" science write up claiming some amazing new gut discovery - most times involving some food - *whole grains shown to have this effect on gut biome* as if there is is amazing new world out there. That is where I started getting annoyed to see these -- imho -- outlandish studies constantly suggesting that bacteria is "key" to some health system. But no information on how this is going to help anything from a practical point of view. It seems like forever I have seen these things...

Though I do agree probiotics may be pushed by non MDs.
Stop relying on Science Daily as a valid source of information about - anything at all. It is an aggregate website, that accepts articles and op-eds from pretty much anyone. They don't do any of the reporting themselves, it's all just reprints of other peoples' stuff. They don't screen any of it or do any fact checking at all.
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Old 07-11-2020, 04:42 PM
 
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Ohh no don't try to blame this on alternative medicine. Every day I read "science daily" and every day there is a "allegedly" science write up claiming some amazing new gut discovery - most times involving some food - *whole grains shown to have this effect on gut biome* as if there is is amazing new world out there. That is where I started getting annoyed to see these -- imho -- outlandish studies constantly suggesting that bacteria is "key" to some health system. But no information on how this is going to help anything from a practical point of view. It seems like forever I have seen these things...

Though I do agree probiotics may be pushed by non MDs.
Is this (the whole microbiome thing) being pushed by traditional medicine?
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Old 07-11-2020, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Early America
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As I noted in the original post I don't deny that there is a gut mcrobiome or that it might have effects. My issue is with the constant acting as if bacteria is the cause of everything and we need more money to find a solution to this new problem we found....I think the thread is played out.. when people stop paying attention to the original thesis.
Ok, well, that is your perception, but the "constant acting as if bacteria is the cause of everything" doesn't come from the actual research or from researchers. Maybe if you look beyond news sites, you'll see.
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