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Personally I have defaulted to a lot of things that I do myself. Currently you can
- get blood tests on your own. (some insanely cheap)
- get alternative medicine on your own.
- read the same medical studies that your doctor has access to ( but is typically too lazy to read ).
I consider myself my own nurse practitioner.
All good...except you are NOT a nurse practitioner, based on education or experience.
Sure, we can all read the studies and order the tests - but do you truly understand the studies or just read the abstract or skip to the end without understanding how the study was actually done and how to apply it?
I don't expect you to answer, just to understand your limitations. After all, you can't file a malpractice suit against yourself but you'll definitely suffer the consequences if you don't know what you're doing.
Left wrist broken in 4-5 places, right elbow shattered. Wrist healing is going well, elbow is rough, very painful, hard to move, therapy tough.
Wow, I can only imagine. Glad to hear your wrist is mending well, hope this will continue without complications (nerve, ligament damage). . You have enough to deal with with your elbow. I know joint fractures- in particular elbows can be real bears to fix and getback to something resembling normal. I know it takes much time, physical therapy and patience to get through this.
Best of luck and hope you will come out good as new on the other side of getting through your injuries.
Same here. I feel like doctors need some major push back, as proven by this covid thing, but no one wants to do it. Defund the police? I say defund the doctors.
This is absolutely outrageous. But I am determined to play the game better than them.
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Personally I have defaulted to a lot of things that I do myself. Currently you can
- get blood tests on your own. (some insanely cheap)
- get alternative medicine on your own.
- read the same medical studies that your doctor has access to ( but is typically too lazy to read ).
I consider myself my own nurse practitioner.
You sound really frustrated with your clinic. Maybe you should shop around for another one that you like better.
I wonder if some of that frustration comes out in your voice when talking to them. You know, the voice at the other end of the call (usually) belongs to a human being, who may find you difficult to deal with and therefore doesn't go out of her way to accommodate you. Just something to consider.
Regarding being your own doctor. Doctoring is based on seeing thousands of cases a year. Do you really want a doctor with basically zero experience?
Same thing with the plumber and the car mechanic. Do you pick the one that fixes one car a year, that installs one ball valve every three years? Or the one who does it several times a week?
My advice is, if you don't like your doc, find a better one. Don't dismiss the entire profession.
You sound really frustrated with your clinic. Maybe you should shop around for another one that you like better.
I wonder if some of that frustration comes out in your voice when talking to them. You know, the voice at the other end of the call (usually) belongs to a human being, who may find you difficult to deal with and therefore doesn't go out of her way to accommodate you. Just something to consider.
Regarding being your own doctor. Doctoring is based on seeing thousands of cases a year. Do you really want a doctor with basically zero experience?
Same thing with the plumber and the car mechanic. Do you pick the one that fixes one car a year, that installs one ball valve every three years? Or the one who does it several times a week?
My advice is, if you don't like your doc, find a better one. Don't dismiss the entire profession.
The “ entire profession” needs to start looking at the patient in front of them and listening to him/her. Not the tests, not the birthday, etc.
The “ entire profession” needs to start looking at the patient in front of them and listening to him/her. Not the tests, not the birthday, etc.
Maybe, maybe not. Usually there's some middle ground, but heaven forbid anyone take such a reasonable approach. It seems odd that people who wouldn't expect any other professional to take abuse from a customer expect a doctor or nurse to just swallow it. I've spent my fair share of time sitting in doctor's offices and waiting rooms. Some of the accidentally-overheard abuse patients heaped on the staff made me blush and I wasn't even in the room. They want their problem fixed NOW but they don't want to pay for it. Refusing empirical testing that might actually discover what the problem might be, demanding guarantees or proof that aren't possible, refusing to expend any effort on their own, and feeling they can disparage or insult whomever they wish into the bargain. IMHO, both sides of any professional/business conversation are entitled to civility and respect. There's a huge difference between being your own advocate and being a suspicious disrespectful jerk. Someone who insists on being snarky only deserves to get what they dish out.
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The “ entire profession” needs to start looking at the patient in front of them and listening to him/her. Not the tests, not the birthday, etc.
If I had a lump in my breast, and it was big enough I could feel it easily, and I went to the doctor and said "I keep trying to dissolve this big zit with acne cream and it's not working and the zit keeps getting bigger, can you help me?" and he said he needed to do some tests...
I would HOPE that I'm not stupid enough to ignore his advice.
Tests are important. And sometimes the patient doesn't know best.
Maybe, maybe not. Usually there's some middle ground, but heaven forbid anyone take such a reasonable approach. It seems odd that people who wouldn't expect any other professional to take abuse from a customer expect a doctor or nurse to just swallow it. I've spent my fair share of time sitting in doctor's offices and waiting rooms. Some of the accidentally-overheard abuse patients heaped on the staff made me blush and I wasn't even in the room. They want their problem fixed NOW but they don't want to pay for it. Refusing empirical testing that might actually discover what the problem might be, demanding guarantees or proof that aren't possible, refusing to expend any effort on their own, and feeling they can disparage or insult whomever they wish into the bargain. IMHO, both sides of any professional/business conversation are entitled to civility and respect. There's a huge difference between being your own advocate and being a suspicious disrespectful jerk. Someone who insists on being snarky only deserves to get what they dish out.
I never said anything about abusing anyone. Thats your interpretation not mine. Its interesting how when someone questions the medical profession, others on here start labeling them as a “suspicious disrepectful jerk.” Maybe the medical profession can start by listening to the patient and discussing what the patient perceives as the problem. Sometimes what someone perceives is far more important than what really exists. A little psychology can go a long way.
If I had a lump in my breast, and it was big enough I could feel it easily, and I went to the doctor and said "I keep trying to dissolve this big zit with acne cream and it's not working and the zit keeps getting bigger, can you help me?" and he said he needed to do some tests...
I would HOPE that I'm not stupid enough to ignore his advice.
Tests are important. And sometimes the patient doesn't know best.
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Again I will repeat for those of you who love to misinterpret any criticism of the medical profession as stupidity, ignorance etc. sorry to tell you but for some women that lump in the breast might have been caused by domestic violence, by a severe fall, not necessarily cancer. Questioning the patient would be a far better place to start to discover the origins of a problem before any test is ordered. But silly me, why would drs ever talk to the patient, right?
Maybe, maybe not. Usually there's some middle ground, but heaven forbid anyone take such a reasonable approach. It seems odd that people who wouldn't expect any other professional to take abuse from a customer expect a doctor or nurse to just swallow it. I've spent my fair share of time sitting in doctor's offices and waiting rooms. Some of the accidentally-overheard abuse patients heaped on the staff made me blush and I wasn't even in the room. They want their problem fixed NOW but they don't want to pay for it. Refusing empirical testing that might actually discover what the problem might be, demanding guarantees or proof that aren't possible, refusing to expend any effort on their own, and feeling they can disparage or insult whomever they wish into the bargain. IMHO, both sides of any professional/business conversation are entitled to civility and respect. There's a huge difference between being your own advocate and being a suspicious disrespectful jerk. Someone who insists on being snarky only deserves to get what they dish out.
The massive regulation of the medical field has led to this. The doctor-patient relationship used to be much simpler, with more trust and respect. It wasn't perfect; there were some lousy docs out there. But I think the bond of trust has been broken.
A lot of patients are suspicious and second-guess their docs, and there's always that little thought in the back of their minds that they can hire a malpractice lawyer if anything goes wrong.
Docs think of patients as walking lawsuits. Just do the minimal to get them through your office and out the door, and turf the difficult cases off to a specialist so you won't be sued. Spend your 9 minutes with the patient, bill $100, and dream about retiring.
I think we should just move medicine into the gig economy. Uber-Medical. You want a doc? Just dial one up on your app. Oh, were you obnoxious to the last gynecologist? Gave her one star? Well guess what, she gave you one star, and now strangely, no OB/GYN is willing to give you an appointment. Sucks to be you. Say hello to the emergency room with the rest of the deadbeats, where they'll make you wait six hours, then shove you in an exam room with an overworked resident that you hope is not too burned out and cynical yet.
People these days expect perfection from their docs, and they want to pay nothing. Just imagine threatening the plumber with a lawsuit if he fails to fix the leak. Or tell him you don't feel like paying. He'll pack up his tools, walk out, and good luck finding another one. Yet, we do that to our docs. Destroyed the profession. I don't blame them for being angry.
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