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Old 01-16-2021, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Well, I will say this - as a person who never met a wine I didn't like:

I wear a FitBit to bed every night. I have noticed that when I drink two glasses of red wine (because I'll be honest - I never drink only 1) I don't sleep as well. Meaning that though I am asleep, my resting heart rate is higher and also I don't sleep as long, and I also don't get as much REM or deep sleep as I do when I drink any wine in the evening. Which thankfully is more often than when I do. But still - I think I need to cut it down even more.

When I drink decaffeinated or herbal teas, those don't seem to affect my sleep patterns at all.

I find that whether it's tea or wine or some other "special" sort of prepared, relaxing drink, I find myself wanting SOMETHING in the evenings that feels like a treat. I prefer that it not be high calorie too, so I think tea is the answer for me.
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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The way the statistics are presented completely misleads the public. Why not give the percent of people who got AFib and drank no alcohol, then the percent of people who got it and drank 1 drink per day?

There could be a 0.5% chance of getting AFib and by drinking alcohol you are raising it to 0.58%, which is miniscule. The reason is that 16% sounds more threatening whereas increasing your chance from 4% to 4.64% sounds quite small.

If you consider that daily binge drinkers only raised their rate 47% over the course of 14 years, that would be an increase from a 3% chance to a 4.4% chance. So if you followed a group of 100 non-drinkers and a group of 100 alcoholics, there'd be 3 non-drinkers that would get AFib and 4-5 alcoholics with AFib. That doesn't sound quite as newsworthy.

The whole study was based on people self-reporting how much they drank and whether they had AFib or not.
That was my thought, too. I looked up the study and the way the data were presented made it impossible (for me, at least) to suss out absolute risk.

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I am truly just making an observation here - this is not directed at anyone. But I am always amazed at how vehemently people defend drinking alcohol. People don't defend tobacco or donuts this way, but when it comes to alcohol, folks will passionately claim (deny?) that there is anything wrong with it.
All the calls for "everything in moderation" would seem to contradict this.

Just a few years ago, the American Diabetes Association was telling diabetics to eat sugary foods in moderation and the American Heart Association had its logo on sugary cereals. Go further back, and sugar was promoted as a health food and doctors endorsed cigarettes.

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Old 01-16-2021, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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That was my thought, too. I looked up the study and the way the data were presented made it impossible (for me, at least) to suss out absolute risk.



All the calls for "everything in moderation" would seem to contradict this.

Just a few years ago, the American Diabetes Association was telling diabetics to eat sugary foods in moderation and the American Heart Association had its logo on sugary cereals. Go further back, and sugar was promoted as a health food and doctors endorsed cigarettes.

Apples and oranges. If you have diabetes you have to be strict with your diet. Comparing that to someone with no health issues enjoying a glass of wine is ridiculous.
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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Apples and oranges. If you have diabetes you have to be strict with your diet. Comparing that to someone with no health issues enjoying a glass of wine is ridiculous.
I'm not comparing anything, I'm responding to two separate comments.
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Wine Country
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I'm not comparing anything, I'm responding to two separate comments.
Really? Sure didn't seem like it.
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Well, no problem ...bourbon will do then...ya gotta keep ahead of the studies!
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Well, I will say this - as a person who never met a wine I didn't like:
I wondered where you were, , obviously you've been drinking!!!!
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Old 01-16-2021, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Indianapolis, East Side
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Really? Sure didn't seem like it.
Maybe you're drinking too much wine.
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Old 01-16-2021, 12:01 PM
 
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One glass of wine is innocuous.
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Old 01-16-2021, 03:33 PM
 
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One glass of wine is innocuous.
and pointless.

Although, I guess if you're a petite little delicate thang, one glass of wine might be sufficient to have a relaxing effect.
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