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Old 08-04-2021, 09:18 AM
 
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You'd think the aggressor would have created a cure or prevention for their bio-weapon before releasing it into the wild. You'd also think they wouldn't just release it into their own population around the corner from the lab where they created it. If this was deliberate, it was the work of the world's most bumbling super-villain.

You'd think people would know by now that tyrannical leaders and governments don't care about their people. Mao killed 40-60 million of his own people. You'd also think that a villain that had developed the cure for it before releasing it would not be bumbling enough to be sharing that information with you.


You'd think people would also know that most wars are wars of attrition. Why would any army attack another army when it's highly probable that some of their own will die? Because they think they will suffer fewer casualties and will prevail in the long run. And that is exactly why one conducting a biological war might accept casualties within their own population.


And I guess I'll repeat it for the 101th time - the goal of a biological attack may be not to depopulate but to destroy economies and cultures. Covid has been spectacularly successful at that.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:11 AM
 
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You'd think people would know by now that tyrannical leaders and governments don't care about their people. Mao killed 40-60 million of his own people. You'd also think that a villain that had developed the cure for it before releasing it would not be bumbling enough to be sharing that information with you.

You'd think people would also know that most wars are wars of attrition. Why would any army attack another army when it's highly probable that some of their own will die? Because they think they will suffer fewer casualties and will prevail in the long run. And that is exactly why one conducting a biological war might accept casualties within their own population.

And I guess I'll repeat it for the 101th time - the goal of a biological attack may be not to depopulate but to destroy economies and cultures. Covid has been spectacularly successful at that.
I appreciate your reference to the Screaming Eagles but you keep this up and you're gonna lose your job at the War College.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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You'd think people would know by now that tyrannical leaders and governments don't care about their people. Mao killed 40-60 million of his own people. You'd also think that a villain that had developed the cure for it before releasing it would not be bumbling enough to be sharing that information with you.


You'd think people would also know that most wars are wars of attrition. Why would any army attack another army when it's highly probable that some of their own will die? Because they think they will suffer fewer casualties and will prevail in the long run. And that is exactly why one conducting a biological war might accept casualties within their own population.


And I guess I'll repeat it for the 101th time - the goal of a biological attack may be not to depopulate but to destroy economies and cultures. Covid has been spectacularly successful at that.


Yeah, but usually it is to destroy your enemies and culture, not your own. Unless it is a single or small group,, evil villain intent on mere chaos.

China is pretty much the opposite of that.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:21 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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The original Covid was a "vaccine-proof variant". No vaccine had any effect on it.

So doctors and scientists got together and created a new vaccine. And it works great against original Covid.

If a new variant pops up that isn't affected by any current vaccine, the same doctors and scientists will create another new one that does knock it off.

Is there any reason to think they won't?
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Early America
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You'd think people would know by now that tyrannical leaders and governments don't care about their people. Mao killed 40-60 million of his own people. You'd also think that a villain that had developed the cure for it before releasing it would not be bumbling enough to be sharing that information with you.


You'd think people would also know that most wars are wars of attrition. Why would any army attack another army when it's highly probable that some of their own will die? Because they think they will suffer fewer casualties and will prevail in the long run. And that is exactly why one conducting a biological war might accept casualties within their own population.


And I guess I'll repeat it for the 101th time - the goal of a biological attack may be not to depopulate but to destroy economies and cultures. Covid has been spectacularly successful at that.
If someone was trying to depopulate the world, they royally screwed up. The vast majority of people who've had SARS2 survived it even before the vaccines. Four million people worldwide doesn't make a dent in the 8 billion population.

Maybe China was looking for a way to thin its population of the elderly and sick. That is something I wouldn't put past them.
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Old 08-04-2021, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The original Covid was a "vaccine-proof variant". No vaccine had any effect on it.

So doctors and scientists got together and created a new vaccine. And it works great against original Covid.

If a new variant pops up that isn't affected by any current vaccine, the same doctors and scientists will create another new one that does knock it off.

Is there any reason to think they won't?
Agree. Especially that the technology has already been developed now. It just needs to be tweaked. In a worst-case scenario, we'd be looking at an annual shot (like the flu), which has been mentioned as a possibility since the vaccines started being used.
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Old 08-04-2021, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Agree. Especially that the technology has already been developed now. It just needs to be tweaked. In a worst-case scenario, we'd be looking at an annual shot (like the flu), which has been mentioned as a possibility since the vaccines started being used.
Oral and nasal boosters are also a possibility.

No matter what, so what to me. I'll take it - I take a flu vaccine every year along with various other vaccines as necessary. This is just one more. I'm grateful that it increases my odds quite a bit of a mild or asymptomatic illness, or NO illness at all. Yay!
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Old 08-04-2021, 11:51 AM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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Note: Let's be careful to keep political posts out of this thread.
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Old 08-04-2021, 12:03 PM
 
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If someone was trying to depopulate the world, they royally screwed up. The vast majority of people who've had SARS2 survived it even before the vaccines. Four million people worldwide doesn't make a dent in the 8 billion population.

Maybe China was looking for a way to thin its population of the elderly and sick. That is something I wouldn't put past them.

Did you really not comprehend that I said it was not to depopulate but to harm economy and culture?
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Old 08-04-2021, 12:25 PM
 
Location: Richmond VA
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The original Covid was a "vaccine-proof variant". No vaccine had any effect on it.

So doctors and scientists got together and created a new vaccine. And it works great against original Covid.

If a new variant pops up that isn't affected by any current vaccine, the same doctors and scientists will create another new one that does knock it off.

Is there any reason to think they won't?
A virus that is highly contagious, mutates rapidly into something more deadly, and has a long incubation period could kill a large number of people faster than a vaccine could be created. Including the people who would create the virus. What if they're all dead?
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