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Old 12-14-2021, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Islip,NY
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I live in NY and we are being told by our governor to mask up again regardless of vaccination status.
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Old 12-14-2021, 01:46 PM
 
Location: USA
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This might be the beginning of the end of Covid..

Omicron is genetically mixed up with the common cold virus.

More transmissible and apparently far less lethal.

If this holds out, and as it appears this thing will spread like wildfire, the world might soon be naturally vaxed by this gentler variant. Not to mention it might out compete all the others much to their detriment.

Anything could happen, like a real bad mixup down the line, but keep your fingers crossed. .

I hope your optimism is realized. Omicron appears to be highly transmittable.

""Given the current available data, it is likely that Omicron will outpace the Delta variant where community transmission occurs," the WHO posted on Twitter."

"However, Daniel Havlichek, former Chief of the College of Human Medicine's Infectious Diseases Division at Michigan State University, noted that if Omicron is 10 times more transmissible but only causes severe disease in one-tenth the people, there could be the same number of deaths by raw numbers. WHO COVID-19 technical lead Maria van Kerkhove also raised concerns about people getting complacent if Omicron is less severe than Delta.

Even if most people only have a mild illness, van Kerkhove told Face the Nation that a highly transmissible variant will increase the number of infections and as cases rise, so will hospitalizations because some people will get seriously ill.

"More hospitalizations could mean more deaths, and we don't want to see that happen on top of an already difficult situation with Delta circulating globally," van Kerkhove said"


https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-predict...-death-1658772
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Old 12-15-2021, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania/Maine
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Agree. The Big O is a big bust. Yet the pharma-controlled media and politicians will hype it to death to scare and control and sell.
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Old 12-15-2021, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Juneau, AK + Puna, HI
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This might be the beginning of the end of Covid..

Omicron is genetically mixed up with the common cold virus.

More transmissible and apparently far less lethal.

If this holds out, and as it appears this thing will spread like wildfire, the world might soon be naturally vaxed by this gentler variant. Not to mention it might out compete all the others much to their detriment.

Anything could happen, like a real bad mixup down the line, but keep your fingers crossed. .
According to the folks studying this, persons who have been infected with the Delta variant, or had a Covid vaccine, don't have a lot of protection from infection with Omicron

So, it may work both ways. Persons who become ill from Omicron may not be protected against the more (apparently) vicious Delta coronavirus.

In that case, it may just mean more people in total get sick and the pandemic duration is either extended or isn't affected much.
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Old 12-16-2021, 05:53 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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COVID can cause kidney damage so it's possible that it advanced her CKD. She shouldn't need dialysis unless it advanced beyond stage 3.
It was stage 3 and is now stage 4.
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Old 12-16-2021, 10:50 AM
 
Location: Early America
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It was stage 3 and is now stage 4.
Yeah, but there is no medical treatment to stop stage 3 kidney disease from progressing to stage 4. Progression can only be slowed and the treatment for that is diet and lifestyle modification, and by treating underlying conditions that contribute to kidney injury, such as high blood pressure, diabetes. And covid.

Based on the scant details, it was appropriate to treat covid since it causes kidney injury in roughly half of hospitalized covid patients, and can cause kidney failure in severe cases. They may have saved her life.

Hospitals deserve blame when they are at fault. However, your "true story" is gossip about someone you don't know and doesn't make sense or add up. Crucial details were lost somewhere along the line in the retelling of it which could have originated with the patient's own account.

It sucks when anyone progresses to the stage of needing dialysis. About half of those with stage 3 progress to stages 4 and 5, which emphasizes the importance of slowing progression with diet, lifestyle and managing conditions that contribute to it.
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Old 12-16-2021, 06:03 PM
 
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Based on the scant details, it was appropriate to treat covid since it causes kidney injury in roughly half of hospitalized covid patients, and can cause kidney failure in severe cases. They may have saved her life.
No, Covid doesn't cause kidney damage. It's the Remdesivir when patients are hospitalized. But hospitals can get a 20% mark up which is why they don't want cheaper and safer treatments available. Remdesivir essentially causes patients to drown in their own fluids.

Remdesivir was originally supposed to treat Ebola but half of the patients died so they withdrew the drug. I guess they had a backlog of product and needed to get rid of it. Covid appeared just in time.
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Old 12-16-2021, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Early America
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No, Covid doesn't cause kidney damage. It's the Remdesivir when patients are hospitalized. But hospitals can get a 20% mark up which is why they don't want cheaper and safer treatments available. Remdesivir essentially causes patients to drown in their own fluids.

Remdesivir was originally supposed to treat Ebola but half of the patients died so they withdrew the drug. I guess they had a backlog of product and needed to get rid of it. Covid appeared just in time.
Studies found that many non-hospitalized, untreated people had kidney injury after covid.

That doesn't mean that Remdesivir can't be causing kidney problems too.
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Old 12-16-2021, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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No, Covid doesn't cause kidney damage. It's the Remdesivir when patients are hospitalized. But hospitals can get a 20% mark up which is why they don't want cheaper and safer treatments available. Remdesivir essentially causes patients to drown in their own fluids.

Remdesivir was originally supposed to treat Ebola but half of the patients died so they withdrew the drug. I guess they had a backlog of product and needed to get rid of it. Covid appeared just in time.
I don't think that's correct. That was the claim of a Chiropractor Bryan Ardis but there is no data that supports it.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-888870392951
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Old 12-17-2021, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Yeah, but there is no medical treatment to stop stage 3 kidney disease from progressing to stage 4. Progression can only be slowed and the treatment for that is diet and lifestyle modification, and by treating underlying conditions that contribute to kidney injury, such as high blood pressure, diabetes. And covid.

Based on the scant details, it was appropriate to treat covid since it causes kidney injury in roughly half of hospitalized covid patients, and can cause kidney failure in severe cases. They may have saved her life.

Hospitals deserve blame when they are at fault. However, your "true story" is gossip about someone you don't know and doesn't make sense or add up. Crucial details were lost somewhere along the line in the retelling of it which could have originated with the patient's own account.

It sucks when anyone progresses to the stage of needing dialysis. About half of those with stage 3 progress to stages 4 and 5, which emphasizes the importance of slowing progression with diet, lifestyle and managing conditions that contribute to it.
All I know is that my friend told me that her stage 3 kidney disease (not related to COVID) was not treated and that she was surprised that she was COVID positive since she had no discernible symptoms.
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