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Old 09-05-2023, 05:52 PM
 
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A healthy microbiome contains a diverse variety of microbes (bacteria, fungi, parasites, and viruses), which keeps our immune system working well. Changes to its diversity can make us sick. Previous research has found that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, reduces the diversity of bacteria in the gut microbiome of people with the disease. Researchers wanted to know whether the variety of microbes present can predict how sick someone with COVID-19 may become.
In a study supported by the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) and the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), researchers looked at gut microbiomes in people with different severities of COVID-19. They found that the microbiome was less diverse in people with severe COVID-19 than in people who were less sick. The difference is significant enough that researchers can predict who has severe disease based on the microbes in their gut microbiome.


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Old 09-06-2023, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Sorry but I don't call ANY shot that has to be readministered at least once a year any sort of "vaccine," including the infamous "flu shots."
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Old 09-06-2023, 10:47 AM
 
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Sorry but I don't call ANY shot that has to be readministered at least once a year any sort of "vaccine," including the infamous "flu shots."
The flu vaccine has to be reformulated depending on what viruses are predicted to be most common in each season. That does not mean it is not a vaccine.

It has become obvious that the evolution of the covid virus generates the need for new vaccines, too. They are still vaccines.
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Old 09-06-2023, 01:10 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California
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Sorry but I don't call ANY shot that has to be readministered at least once a year any sort of "vaccine," including the infamous "flu shots."
Please explain belief based on basic biology principles or are your objections based on mysticism and metaphysical principles. If they are based on mysticism then no need to further explain them. I get the picture.
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:32 AM
 
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The flu vaccine has to be reformulated depending on what viruses are predicted to be most common in each season. That does not mean it is not a vaccine.

It has become obvious that the evolution of the covid virus generates the need for new vaccines, too. They are still vaccines.

I get what you're saying but I don't call the current shots "vaccines" because there are too many variants and clearly they don't work as vaccines. I believe they are formulated to work against a certain variant but there are many, many variants out there.
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:35 AM
 
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Please explain belief based on basic biology principles or are your objections based on mysticism and metaphysical principles. If they are based on mysticism then no need to further explain them. I get the picture.
Sorry, no, I'm not going to take any more time to try to explain myself. My statement seems to be clear enough for most people to understand, and no, I didn't base anything on mysticism or metaphysical principles. I am not a particularly mystical or metaphysical person. And hey, I get a flu shot every single year. If I get it, I don't get any type of flu. If I don't get it, I catch the flu. So I take the shot. But no more COVID shots after three AND a case of COVID. Oh, and I had a headache that wouldn't respond to anything for four days after my last COVID shot. And I still got COVID. So no more.
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Old 09-07-2023, 08:51 AM
 
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I get what you're saying but I don't call the current shots "vaccines" because there are too many variants and clearly they don't work as vaccines. I believe they are formulated to work against a certain variant but there are many, many variants out there.
Coronavirus vaccines have been notoriously difficult to formulate because those viruses tend to mutate often. So what we have today is our best effort. And so far these vaccines do provide some, but not long lasting protection. It would be great if we could do better with a more perfect vaccine, but it turns out that the older vaccines so far still cover the new variants. Enough, so that for the elderly and those with medical risks are less apt to develop more serious disease, get hospitalized or die if up to date with the vaccines.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:15 AM
 
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Coronavirus vaccines have been notoriously difficult to formulate because those viruses tend to mutate often. So what we have today is our best effort. And so far these vaccines do provide some, but not long lasting protection. It would be great if we could do better with a more perfect vaccine, but it turns out that the older vaccines so far still cover the new variants. Enough, so that for the elderly and those with medical risks are less apt to develop more serious disease, get hospitalized or die if up to date with the vaccines.
OK keep saying that.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California
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Sorry, no, I'm not going to take any more time to try to explain myself. My statement seems to be clear enough for most people to understand, and no, I didn't base anything on mysticism or metaphysical principles. I am not a particularly mystical or metaphysical person. And hey, I get a flu shot every single year. If I get it, I don't get any type of flu. If I don't get it, I catch the flu. So I take the shot. But no more COVID shots after three AND a case of COVID. Oh, and I had a headache that wouldn't respond to anything for four days after my last COVID shot. And I still got COVID. So no more.
I understood what you wrote. I was asking for the basis of your logical statement. What is the evidence that your premise is based on.

If a vaccine has to be administered every year then it is not a vaccine.

A premise followed by a conclusion.

If one looks at the field of immunology the only principle that remotely applies is that vaccines are intended to illicit an immune response. There is no inherent requirement on what defines a vaccine in terms of longevity of search a response. It doesn't say it must last longer than one year for it to be a vaccine.

It even applies less because we are not talking about the same organism and the same vaccine every year.

It appears your conclusions and statements are experience based anecdotes. I caught it and I didn't die from it so it is harmless and I don't need a vaccine. You should have simply stated that in the first place rather than trying to invent your own definition of what a vaccine is.
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Old 09-07-2023, 11:05 AM
 
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https://covid19.nih.gov/news-and-sto...id-19-severity


A healthy microbiome contains a diverse variety of microbes (bacteria, fungi, parasites, and viruses), which keeps our immune system working well. Changes to its diversity can make us sick. Previous research has found that SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, reduces the diversity of bacteria in the gut microbiome of people with the disease. Researchers wanted to know whether the variety of microbes present can predict how sick someone with COVID-19 may become.
In a study supported by the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (NIDDK) and the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (NHLBI), researchers looked at gut microbiomes in people with different severities of COVID-19. They found that the microbiome was less diverse in people with severe COVID-19 than in people who were less sick. The difference is significant enough that researchers can predict who has severe disease based on the microbes in their gut microbiome.


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So our homemade fermented sauerkraut (probiotic superfood) can ward off COVID? Man I'm gonna main line some kraut juice!
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