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Old 11-15-2023, 06:37 PM
 
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There was no one rescued from Auschwitz who wasn't stick thin. Everyone loses weight when caloric intake is restricted.
Which kind of disproves the old "your body goes into starvation mode and holds on to weight" theory...
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Old 11-15-2023, 08:10 PM
 
Location: PNW
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Exercise, while great for you, isn't the major component in weight loss.

Reduced calorie intake is. Significantly reduce your calories, and your will lose weight.

There was no one rescued from Auschwitz who wasn't stick thin. Everyone loses weight when caloric intake is restricted.

Best wishes.
Yeah, and also none of them had loose skin (which is why fasting is the way to go).
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Old 11-16-2023, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Which kind of disproves the old "your body goes into starvation mode and holds on to weight" theory...
I can't believe we're using Holocaust victims as examples of healthy weight loss. It's ghoulish. They were legitimately starved. There was no weight to hold onto.
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Old 11-16-2023, 12:45 PM
 
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I can't believe we're using Holocaust victims as examples of healthy weight loss. It's ghoulish. They were legitimately starved. There was no weight to hold onto.
Well, Dr. Fung uses that example as proof that anyone can lose weight. It's a food thing. Everyone can lose weight (but, obviously not if they don't change their diet and do at least some intermittent fasting).
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Old 11-17-2023, 01:31 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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2023 has been hell for me.

The orthopod I consulted (good guy) said I needed to lose 50 lbs before he would fix my knees. I have those extra 50 lbs because my pulmonologist put me on prednisone.

Right knee is bone-on-bone and it's getting worse. Left knee is slightly less worse. My husband has to support me to help me walk. I have to literally pull myself up the stairs to get to bed.

I can't keep living like this. How can I lose 50 lbs when I can't even exercise?
I don't know if it will help you lose weight, but it will help in getting the blood moving again in your legs. I also have one of those machines that can read your heart pulse, oxygen levels, etc via your fingertips.

I have a machine that moves your feet/legs in a walking fashion while you are sitting. It isn't a replacement for walking, but it certainly is better than foing nothing. I noticed that whike the machine is on, my heart beats, oxygen levels, etc increase as if my body is going through the effects of actual walking. Perhaps you should get one too.

The one I have is a slightly different model, but basically it appears to me they all do the same. You turn it on and eventually it automatically turns off.


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Old 11-17-2023, 07:33 AM
 
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Exercise, while great for you, isn't the major component in weight loss.

Reduced calorie intake is. Significantly reduce your calories, and your will lose weight.

There was no one rescued from Auschwitz who wasn't stick thin. Everyone loses weight when caloric intake is restricted.

Best wishes.
Years ago there was a letter to the editor in our local paper from a WWII veteran who had been a prisoner of war. He said "all you people trying this diet and that diet, I have a suggestion. Eat nothing but turnip soup for a while. You'll lose a huge amount of weight in no time."
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Old 11-17-2023, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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That brings up the idea of why someone wants to lose weight. Is it to be as small as possible or is it to be healthy? Because starving yourself or giving yourself an eating disorder isn't healthy. Training yourself to be obsessive or compulsive around food and the number on the scale isn't healthy. Using exercise as punishment or to "earn" your food isn't healthy.

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Old 11-17-2023, 07:59 AM
 
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That brings up the idea of why someone wants to lose weight. Is it to be as small as possible or is it to be healthy? Because starving yourself or giving yourself an eating disorder isn't healthy. Training yourself to be obsessive or compulsive around food and the number on the scale isn't healthy.
And for some people -- such as those with a genetic tendency toward obesity, insulin resistance, or post-menopausal women with hormone imbalance, metabolic syndrome, etc. -- you basically HAVE to "starve yourself" to lose weight and keep it off. Yes, it's possible for everyone to lose weight if they reduce calories enough, but some have to reduce MUCH MORE than others, to the point of going hungry. Is it worth it?
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Old 11-17-2023, 08:46 AM
 
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That brings up the idea of why someone wants to lose weight. Is it to be as small as possible or is it to be healthy? Because starving yourself or giving yourself an eating disorder isn't healthy. Training yourself to be obsessive or compulsive around food and the number on the scale isn't healthy. Using exercise as punishment or to "earn" your food isn't healthy.
It kind of goes both ways for me. When I am overweight, I'm pretty obsessive or compulsive about eating foods I desire and crave. I go into denial about the fact that I'm eating unhealthy and that I've put on pounds.

So while some lucky people can be easy going about what they eat and how much they exercise, some of us need to be more regimented to stay healthy. That's not an eating disorder. It's knowing what works for our own body.
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Old 11-17-2023, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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It is true that everyone is different and everyone needs to figure out what works for them. But at the same time, our culture is so entrenched in disordered diet culture nonsense that many people go through their lives starving and miserable for reasons that don't have to do with actual health. Yes, to lose weight you need to be in a calorie deficit, but that doesn't that you have to convince yourself that fat-free salad dressing is delicious or that you can never eat pizza or cake again. Having a healthy outlook on diet and exercise should be positive, not negative.
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