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Old 05-19-2010, 05:25 PM
 
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I'm sorry, I didn't read all 18 pages of posts, it was too much for me. I hope this hasn't already been said.
The study is poor quality, criteria too general and leaves much to the imagination. I worked in Quality Improvement for 20 years and we were never responsible to the patient for explaining doctor practice.

Just to pick on a few things:
12,000 deaths due to unnecessary surgery
12,000 deaths in what total number of surgeries?
There is no indication of what an "unnecessary surgery" is. Should have been categorized by type, i.e. major or minor, emergency, elective, blah blah and through peer review, the reviewing physician may have made the determination the surgery was unnecessary based criteria the medical staff, as a whole, had agreed upon.
You won't find that very often.

7,000 deaths due to medication errors
7,000 deaths in how many medication doses given?
Again, nonspecific information. Was the medication or dosage written by the doctor an error, did the nurse give the wrong medication or correct medication but wrong dose. Was a pharmacist involved in filling the Rx


20,000 deaths due to other errors in hospitals
This in no way is necessarily caused by physicians. Probably taken from risk management data, and since it is unknown, must be various reasons, i.e. failing to raise bed rails, blood transfusion reaction, whatever.

Doctors are just people, who have spent an incredible amount of time in order to practice medicine. They have the license to get medical care and meds to patients. I do think there is a lot of care this is being performed by incompetent physicians or quacks, but that is part of the mix, and people should pay attention to what the doc is saying and if it sounds screwy, then it probably is. Doctors do save lives too.

But this study of doctor related death information was really not much, in my opinion.

Thats enough.

 
Old 05-19-2010, 05:38 PM
 
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If you want to be "normal" as you've said in the DMs, I'm not sure what you concept of normal, it will never be accomplished with this attitude and walls of resistance, your choice though.
It doesn't matter to me again, i know that they only give false advice.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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Have you taken your meds today?
what meds? I won't be told things be doctors that are patently false.

I know I sound a bit weird, but who would go to any advisory professional and receive false advice? It's not a rational thing to do.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 06:06 PM
 
Location: 39 20' 59"N / 75 30' 53"W
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what meds? I won't be told things be doctors that are patently false.

I know I sound a bit weird, but who would go to any advisory professional and receive false advice? It's not a rational thing to do.
Who would ...millions of people
 
Old 05-19-2010, 06:10 PM
 
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The study is poor quality, criteria too general and leaves much to the imagination. I worked in Quality Improvement for 20 years and we were never responsible to the patient for explaining doctor practice.
Great post. It's unlikely that it will be addressed, tho. That's just how the folks around here roll. A whiff of reason sends 'em running.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 06:15 PM
 
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Hmmm, maybe I will. I'll just link them all over here lol.
Braunwyn Don't feed the addiction!!!! Please!....lol
 
Old 05-19-2010, 06:27 PM
 
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Braunwyn Don't feed the addiction!!!! Please!....lol
LOL ok, but it would be funny!
 
Old 05-19-2010, 06:34 PM
 
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Great post. It's unlikely that it will be addressed, tho. That's just how the folks around here roll. A whiff of reason sends 'em running.

Really? I'm just curious, how many of you actually read books on the subject?



Amazon.com: The Medical Mafia: How to Get Out of It Alive and Take Back Our Health & Wealth (9780964412606): Guylaine Lanctot: Books



"This is an excellent book. I'm a Clinical Nurse Specialist who has worked in health "care" for over 30 years. The system is broken and ruled by pharmaceutical greed. Did you know that babies in the U.S. are given 25 vaccine shots before the age of 15 months? (documented on the American Peds Society website). Use your common sense. This cannot possibly be good for a developing immune system."






Amazon.com: Confessions of a Medical Heretic (9780809241316): M.D. Robert S. Mendelsohn: Books


"This is an excellent book. The author totally exposes doctors for the ruthless, money hungry tyrants they truly are. Doctors have been bought and sold by the very pharmaceutical companies they promote. Yet how many doctors take their own shots? You might be surprised how few of them actually do."




Amazon.com: Selling Sickness: How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies Are Turning Us All Into Patients (9781560258568): Ray Moynihan, Alan Cassels: Books

"Many people now take drugs that may have harmful side effects and won't make much of a difference in improving their health. Hormone replacement therapy turned out to increase the chance of heart attacks for women, one of the blockbuster cholesterol lowering drugs was withdrawn from the market because it was implicated in causing deaths.

The FDA isn't looking out for you either, as shown in the chapter on irritable bowel syndrome. The FDA let the drug Lotronex remain far too long on the market, despite evidence coming in from doctors that it was killing, hospitalizing, and causing complications never seen before by doctors treating this syndrome."
 
Old 05-19-2010, 06:44 PM
 
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Again, Morph. Her post is not being addressed. And it won't be. Of that, I have no doubt. A reasoned response for debate is going to take far more effort than linking books that will not and cannot be read in this thread.
 
Old 05-19-2010, 07:11 PM
 
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Who would ...millions of people
I think we can agree to disagree.
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