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Somewhere buried is this thread is there any actual data with their counting methodology?
The originial like was to "jesus is savior.com" and people here have been quoting numbers but it's hard to follow.
Basically, if some 60yo with diabetes, congestive heart failure etc. comes in and the doc gives them something and they die 3 months later does it "count"?
I've worked with medical malpractice cases so of course there are errors I just can't get a feel for the scope. Additionally, we live in a society where we are 100lbs overweight for DECADES with high bp, smoking etc etc etc. and at 65 we want new knees and magical pills to fix a body that quite frankly is crapped out.
I get the feeling the truth lies somewhere in-between.
Well, worker motivation is relative. everything is. But it seems they were the exception to the rule.
I'm not sure what that means. I also don't see the problem with primarily working for the money. Some people excel in their profession. Some do the minimum to get by. I've seen this with docs. My brother's docs are amazing people. The hours they work and the sacrifices are above and beyond what most people do. Then, I've had older primary care physicians that were tools. But, to suggest intentional harm is a pretty big charge and should really be coupled with a solid argument. The link in the OP, for example, did not provide that imo.
Then there's the fact that folk tend to conflate a slew of rather unrelated issues that confuses the purpose of the argument further.
I'm not sure what that means. I also don't see the problem with primarily working for the money. Some people excel in their profession. Some do the minimum to get by. I've seen this with docs. My brother's docs are amazing people. The hours they work and the sacrifices are above and beyond what most people do. Then, I've had older primary care physicians that were tools. But, to suggest intentional harm is a pretty big charge and should really be coupled with a solid argument. The link in the OP, for example, did not provide that imo.
Then there's the fact that folk tend to conflate a slew of rather unrelated issues that confuses the purpose of the argument further.
it means that people are motivated by different concerns. in their case, not to give a damn.
it means that people are motivated by different concerns. in their case, not to give a damn.
Ok, and maybe I missed it in this thread, but why do you believe most docs don't give a damn? Is this based on personal experience or some research that you've come across?
In general, people that make it through medical school are very smart, highly motivated people. They could probably succeed in many fields and make a lot of money. They could do this without 8 years of intense schooling + 4 years of interships/residencies in which they are worked like a dog for very little pay. Most come out with massive student loans that they then have to pay off. Then they have to worry about medical malpractice suits. At minimum, they are 30 when they get "real job". Most don't really start making a good amount of money until they are around 40 and they have a patient base built up and a good reputation within the community.
You make it sound like all doctors are out to just make a "quick buck". There are many, many ways for a smart, hardworking person to make a lot of money in this country that doesn't include the headache and stress that doctors endure.
In general, people that make it through medical school are very smart, highly motivated people. They could probably succeed in many fields and make a lot of money. They could do this without 8 years of intense schooling + 4 years of interships/residencies in which they are worked like a dog for very little pay. Most come out with massive student loans that they then have to pay off. Then they have to worry about medical malpractice suits. At minimum, they are 30 when they get "real job". Most don't really start making a good amount of money until they are around 40 and they have a patient base built up and a good reputation within the community.
You make it sound like all doctors are out to just make a "quick buck". There are many, many ways for a smart, hardworking person to make a lot of money in this country that doesn't include the headache and stress that doctors endure.
I don't believe that. Apologism does to no ends, huh?
Education? Pah! lol. Any old fool can read a book, sit in a lecture hall, sit an exam and pass it, and get a piece of paper. True intelligence is about conceptualising the world around you and how one interacts with it.
My conceptualising tells me that medicine is a corrupt profession, filled by self-seeking people. Everybody knows that politics is. The next port of call should be medicine.
The only people who have this viewpoint are those who are too dumb to get through formal education.
My guess is you wouldn't last a week in medical school.
If people become doctors only for the money, why are there private practice family doctors? Doctors who don't work for hospitals as well as ANY general practitioner can hardly stay above water today. And also claiming someone is in it to make money when you don't start making a real salary until age 35 (and with $200k+ in debt at that age too) is nothing short of ignorant.
No one spends 90 hours/week studying for 9+ years if they aren't trying to help people.
Your offensiveness betrays your incredible ignorance.
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