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Old 09-26-2011, 12:44 PM
 
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Augustus for greatest leader.

Napleon for greatest general.
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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Augustus for greatest leader.
Napleon for greatest general.
that doesn't answer the question
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Old 09-26-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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Actually, that's a pretty good choice.

I think so. Trajan was a very good general and a most able politician and ruler. And he carefully chose his successor so that things would carry on properly after his death. In that he did far better than Alexander (or Augustus).
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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OK. Start with GDP/population...
and then dive into the actual distribution of that money.
(be sure to allow for inflation issues)
US GDP per capita adjusted for 2005 dollars...

Long-term real growth in US GDP per capita 1871-2009 — Visualizing Economics

1950's = ~$15,000
2010 = ~$40,250

So, GDP per capita has increased roughly 260% in the past 50-60 years.

Here is the income spread by percentile expressed in 2007 dollars...

File:United States Income Distribution 1947-2007.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Income inequality has risen, but all percentiles have increased since the 1950's. All classes have more income and purchasing power today then they did in the 1950's even when adjusted for inflation. Your point is correct that the 95th percentile has gained far more than the remaining percentiles, but that doesn't mean the other classes aren't "better" today than they were 50-60 years ago at least in terms of income.

So, again, while I am disproving your point that America reached it's pinnacle in the 1950's, you have yet to attempt to actually prove the point that you made. What objective measurements are we supposed to use to show that a country has reached its pinnacle?
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Old 09-26-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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US GDP per capita adjusted for 2005 dollars...

Long-term real growth in US GDP per capita 1871-2009 — Visualizing Economics

1950's = ~$15,000
2010 = ~$40,250

So, GDP per capita has increased roughly 260% in the past 50-60 years.

Here is the income spread by percentile expressed in 2007 dollars...

File:United States Income Distribution 1947-2007.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Income inequality has risen, but all percentiles have increased since the 1950's. All classes have more income and purchasing power today then they did in the 1950's even when adjusted for inflation. Your point is correct that the 95th percentile has gained far more than the remaining percentiles, but that doesn't mean the other classes aren't "better" today than they were 50-60 years ago at least in terms of income.

So, again, while I am disproving your point that America reached it's pinnacle in the 1950's, you have yet to attempt to actually prove the point that you made. What objective measurements are we supposed to use to show that a country has reached its pinnacle?
I would also offer that things were very good for a select number of Americans, as long as they were white, male, and Protestant. The rest faced struggles that came from an uneven playing field.

In short, while some are nostalgic about the 50s, I'm sure the average black, latino, Jew, or career-minded woman would have a good deal to say about the subject.
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Old 09-26-2011, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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One of the few figures in modern times to successfully lead a military organization into power and then effectively ruled the nation for an extended period of time would be Fidel Castro.
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Old 09-27-2011, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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One of the few figures in modern times to successfully lead a military organization into power and then effectively ruled the nation for an extended period of time would be Fidel Castro.
So that makes him a nominee for "greatest general and ruler in history?"
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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So that makes him a nominee for "greatest general and ruler in history?"
Did I say that that makes him a nominee for "greatest general and ruler in history?
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Did I say that that makes him a nominee for "greatest general and ruler in history?
You did notice the thread title, did you not? Was your contribution designed to be some irrelevant noise?
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Old 09-27-2011, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Wheaton, Illinois
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One of the few figures in modern times to successfully lead a military organization into power and then effectively ruled the nation for an extended period of time would be Fidel Castro.

Interesting; I wouldn't have thought about him. But he was able as both a military and political leader.
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