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Old 11-28-2011, 11:38 PM
 
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I doubt the Roman Empire had citizenship laws like the United States does, but I'll ask anyway
Since Jesus was born in Bethelem, a territory of the Roman Empire at the time, does that make him a citizen of the Roman Empire? Or does Jesus' ethnicity preclude him from that status?
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Old 11-28-2011, 11:52 PM
 
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I doubt the Roman Empire had citizenship laws like the United States does, but I'll ask anyway
Since Jesus was born in Bethelem, a territory of the Roman Empire at the time, does that make him a citizen of the Roman Empire? Or does Jesus' ethnicity preclude him from that status?
Probably not. The Roman Empire, as you point out, did not treat citizenship the way we do.

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Old 11-29-2011, 03:54 AM
 
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Jesus was the same ethnicity as Paul and he was a citizen.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:21 AM
 
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I doubt the Roman Empire had citizenship laws like the United States does, but I'll ask anyway
Since Jesus was born in Bethelem, a territory of the Roman Empire at the time, does that make him a citizen of the Roman Empire? Or does Jesus' ethnicity preclude him from that status?
There isn't any proof outside of the bible that he even existed at that time.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:31 AM
 
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I doubt the Roman Empire had citizenship laws like the United States does, but I'll ask anyway
Since Jesus was born in Bethelem, a territory of the Roman Empire at the time, does that make him a citizen of the Roman Empire? Or does Jesus' ethnicity preclude him from that status?
There is a detailed article on Roman citizenship (its evolution, who qualified, etc.) on Wikipedia. I'm not interested enough in the thread to have bothered to do more than skim the article, but perhaps the answer will be found there.

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Old 11-29-2011, 07:36 AM
 
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There isn't any proof outside of the bible that he even existed at that time.
An interesting topic in itself. This is not entirely accurate however - Jesus existence is documented in several non-christian and non-religious sources (Roman and Jewish documents from that time). Very few non-christian or agnostic historians currently deny the existence of a man names Jesus that was crucified during that time.
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Old 11-29-2011, 07:40 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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I doubt the Roman Empire had citizenship laws like the United States does, but I'll ask anyway
Since Jesus was born in Bethelem, a territory of the Roman Empire at the time, does that make him a citizen of the Roman Empire? Or does Jesus' ethnicity preclude him from that status?
On the contrary, I think Jesus' ethnicity included Him to that status. He was a native of a Roman-occupied land. He even said it was proper to give Caesar his due (tax money).
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Old 11-29-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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An interesting topic in itself. This is not entirely accurate however - Jesus existence is documented in several non-christian and non-religious sources (Roman and Jewish documents from that time). .
Not true. No mention of Jesus appears in a Roman source until long after the supposed death.

If you believe otherwise, please provide your source. You might wish to get up to speed here by reading the section called "Greco-Roman Pagan sources"
in this link.
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Old 11-29-2011, 07:58 AM
 
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Roman citizen status was rather exclusive amongst non-Italians. It was accorded usually for some significant reason (long military service and such). Also, Jesus's manner of death would indicate that he wasn't. A Roman citizen was entitled to trial by Roman authorities (ie the provincial governor) and a "clean" death by decapitation.
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Roman citizen status was rather exclusive amongst non-Italians. It was accorded usually for some significant reason (long military service and such). Also, Jesus's manner of death would indicate that he wasn't. A Roman citizen was entitled to trial by Roman authorities (ie the provincial governor) and a "clean" death by decapitation.
Jesus was tried by Pontius Pilate before His crucifixion. I don't know if that means a Jew would have had the same status as an Italian citizen. Probably not. They were an occupied people.
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