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For those who believe explosives brought down the WTC, explain to me how could teams of demo experts walk into the WTC, remove dry wall and insulation from support beams, attach explosives to all beams on all floors necessary to bring down the towers, put back up all the ceiling grids, all the ceiling tiles, all the dry wall, clean all dust off all the office desk and furniture in all offices, and truck away all construction debris without anyone seeing a thing? How do you manage to get that large a team of demo specialist to do such a job and not one single person says a word? Try studying what's involved in prepping a large building for demo and come up with a plausible solution to how all of the above was carried out.
Especially in a place where you couldn't get a pizza delivered to your office. You had to go all the way down to the lobby and pick it up at the security desk. I'd sent contractors on work orders to go fix something--people with contracts and background check who had undergone what they needed to do to work in the building and had IDs to show it--and I'd still get calls from people in the offices wanting to know if someone was supposed to be working on their floor. It's not as if you worked there and didn't know you worked in a terrorist target.
I've yet to see one person who wants it to be a controlled demolition explain to me, demonstrating a knowledge of what contractors had to do to gain access to the buildings, how they were supervised, and how their materials, equipment, and staff were accounted for upon entering and leaving, exactly how they circumvented the system to gain access to secure areas to perform their dastardly deed. Oh, and how they weren't picked up on the CCTV system that had all those people watching it. Not some scornful, stupid answer, but an intelligent idea that persuades me they knew something about the building and the protocols for managing it. No dark hints that it could easily be done by "the government" without anyone else knowing because the thousands of people who made that terrorist-target building operate everyday were all such morons that "the government" could wire explosives right under their noses and they'd never know. And not because you really don't have to explain--"they" can just DO it and we know because this happens in the movies and on TV all the time.
I don't think a controlled demolition is even necessary for an inside job theory. I think the (shadow?) government basically manufactured the terrorists who did the dirty work of the suicide attack.
Except that a controlled demo is the basis for the 9/11 truther movement.
^^^ The name of the building that houses the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense is the Pentagon. Just FYI.
In addition to the CD people, there are the no-planes people, who generally believe that the WTC was taken down by direct energy weapons planted in outer space; that the WTC towers were hollow and that no people actually worked in there; and that all the victims and survivors did not exist in the first place and those who represent them are actors paid by the government.
The number of people that believe this would surprise you.
^^^ The name of the building that houses the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense is the Pentagon. Just FYI.
In addition to the CD people, there are the no-planes people, who generally believe that the WTC was taken down by direct energy weapons planted in outer space; that the WTC towers were hollow and that no people actually worked in there; and that all the victims and survivors did not exist in the first place and those who represent them are actors paid by the government.
The number of people that believe this would surprise you.
No surprise. And here we are listening to conspiracy theories from a person who thinks The Pentagon is called 'The Pentagram"....these conspiracy theories are maybe a sign of the dumbing down of America.
The one thing I find strange about that awful day is the attack on the Pentagon. Photos taken before some of the roof collapsed show a hole much smaller than an aeroplane would make. Plus these inexperienced pilots slid it in the front door? One of the most highly defended buildings in the world, with cameras everywhere. Why no photos of the plane? There is a picture of a room at the edge of the hole, with a table and book sat on it undisturbed.
The one thing I find strange about that awful day is the attack on the Pentagon. Photos taken before some of the roof collapsed show a hole much smaller than an aeroplane would make. Plus these inexperienced pilots slid it in the front door? One of the most highly defended buildings in the world, with cameras everywhere. Why no photos of the plane? There is a picture of a room at the edge of the hole, with a table and book sat on it undisturbed.
And that "small" hole has been explained over and over by computer imaging in slow motion explaining what exactly happens when a plane hits a building at that rate of speed, and it's been explained over and over that video cameras in CCTV systems aren't necessarily going to give you a clear image of an object moving at 500 mph, but you will ask the same question next week and the week after that and the week after that. Oh yes, and there are plenty of pictures of the plane parts on the lawn of the Pentagon, but next week and the week after that someone will ask, "How come there are no plane parts on the lawn of the Pentagon?" Don't know about the book and table, that's a new one, as is this "front door" reference. It's like the game of telephone--the stories just keep changing as time passes and the CTs get repeated.
The funny thing about conspiracy theorists is that they like to take the popularly accepted explanation for an event and try to poke holes in it or prove that what was reported to happen wasn't plausible. They find little elements of the story that might seem a little suspicious or try to find some sort of vague "evidence" from second-hand photos and videos.
Then--to counter the official explanation, they come up with a different explanation that's so implausible it makes no sense to anyone not high on drugs. Remote control piloted airlines hitting the WTC, space weapons hitting the Pentagon, Mossad agents doubling as Al Qaeda, Jews in the WTC not going to work on 9/11, and so on. When you pick holes in their broad, elaborate conspiracy fantasy stories, they became upset that they're getting the same level of scrutiny as they pretend to give to other accounts.
You need to work on your poll choices, because they suck.
If you search the internet, you'll find a story from a couple of years ago where two Burger King employees in New Mexico put marihuana on a hamburger and sold it to a cop.
There was more than one Burger King employee involved here. Since legally an agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act is a conspiracy, then accordingly we have a conspiracy.
Now I have a multiple choice question for you (and everyone else). The conspiracy to lace hamburgers with marihuana was a conspiracy involving:
1] Burger King employees who acted independently on their own
2] Burger King employees and the restaurant manager
3] Burger King employees, the restaurant manager and the district manager
4] Burger King employees, restaurant manager, district manager and area/regional manager
5] Burger King employees, Management and Board Members
6] Burger King employees, Management, Board Members and the Chief Executive Officer (CEO), Chief Operations Officer (COO) and Chief Financial Officer (CFO) manager.
7] Burger King employees, Management, Board Members, the CEO, COO, CFO and Burger King stock-holders
The answer is #1: Burger King employees who acted independently on their own.
Is there anyone who cannot grasp the concept?
Now I have a similar question. The 9-11 Conspiracy was a conspiracy involving:
1] Certain Government Employees who acted independently on their own
2] Certain Government Employees and their field managers
3] Certain Government Employees, their field managers and their office managers
4] Certain Government Employees, their field managers, office managers and agency heads or directors
5] Certain Government Employees, Management, Agency Heads and the White House Staff
6] Certain Government Employees, Management, Agency Heads, White House Staff, the President, the Vice-President, and the National Security Director
7] Certain Government Employees, Management, Agency Heads, White House Staff, the President, the Vice-President, the National Security Director and the Cabinet
What is the answer? Again, it's #1: Certain Government Employees who acted independently on their own.
Who cannot grasp the concept? If you can't grasp such a simple concept, perhaps you should start planning and executing conspiracies, or go work for the US government -- any agency will do, so that you can understand the concept.
I could have planned and executed 9-11 with just myself and 5-6 other key people. That's all it would take.
Conspiratorially...
Mircea
No question that this is plausible.
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Originally Posted by RedRage
I don't think the government orchestrated 9/11; to me that's just absurd and I HIGHLY doubt that our government could stoop that low. However, the American public is not being told the truth (as it isn't about a host of things the government has done in the past and present). The 9/11 Commission Report has been challenged and there are numerous inadequacies and or statements that don't add up.
What I will say is that, the government had reports and individuals warn them about something big going down. Thanks to in-fighting between the NSA, CIA, FBI, and every other government agency, voices that had evidence and were screaming at the top of their lungs to be heard, were drowned out.
Could 9/11 have been avoided? Abso-freaking-lutely!!! Big failure on the governments part? Hell yes!
R.I.P. to those who perished that day
Perhaps not the government as a whole. But do not be fooled as Mircea stated that there couldn't be certain factions within our government that conspired to pull this off. I live in Cleveland where they just took down 2 big political figures for corruption, money laundering, bribery, and kick backs! Don't put the government on such a pedastal to say that certain people within it can do no wrong! Nevertheless, 3,000 plus Americans needlessly perished that day!
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Originally Posted by bumpus7
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9/11 was all based on lies, cover-ups, and deceptions.
It's as simple as that.
And Osama Ben laden got his point across, but most people missed it.
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I still think there is more to it.
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Originally Posted by Mircea
Please explain why the "government" must be involved.
Why do you refuse to consider the possibility that a handful of individuals within government, acting on their own without the knowledge or approval of their superiors engaged in the conspiracy?
Government employes never act on their own without executive approval? Never? Really? You have a lot of learning to do.
(Sigh), how do you know the conspirators weren't intimately familiar with such in-fighting, and that they used that to their advantage when planning the conspiracy?
Conspiring...
Mircea
I fall off my chair.
Still laughing...
Mircea
It amazes me as well.
Also still laughing
no1brownsfan
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