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Old 11-22-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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I am intrigued why the official US Government position, as expressed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, is getting zero play.

Oswald being the only shooter is not mutually exclusive with other parties being involved in helping him before hand and/or the cover up (including Jack Ruby's role).

Here's their findings:

Summary of Findings

The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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Well, assassination attempts were going on toward Fidel Castro (failed) but they got the President of South Viet Nam. Not attempts by lone gun nuts either so why isn't it plausible that certain factions would be after JFK too. Castro sure wanted revenge and he's just one suspect. It's not paranoia, it's based upon logic and fact. I don't think we'll ever know for sure.
The attempts to assassinate Castro should be instructive regarding the competence of the CIA to pull off a conspiracy of such complexity as what would be entailed with the theories pointing to the agency's involvement in the Kennedy.

As for the "assassination of Diem, the U.S. green lighted the coup not the assassination. In point of fact Diem was offered exile when the presidential palace was surrounded by Army of Republic of Vietnam forces but escaped to Cholon where he was captured the next day and killed by junior officers Major Dương Hiếu Nghĩa and Captain Nguyễn Văn Nhung..

With regards to Castro, Castro was never known for being a fool and he along with the Soviets KNEW full well that even an attempt to assassinate an American president would be seen as an act of war and that the retaliation would in all likelihood involve a nuclear strike. I also hasten to point out that in the hours and days following the assassination Castro personally went to extraordinary lengths to assure the U.S. that the he nor the Cuban government had anything to do with Kennedy's assassination in recognition of the possible repercussions. This same cautiousness was the basis for the Cubans to bar Oswald entry into Cuba, fearing that he was not only a possible agent provocateur but an unstable nutcase to boot.
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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I am intrigued why the official US Government position, as expressed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, is getting zero play.
Sorry but the House Select Committee on Assassinations is not the "official" position of the U.S. government it is a report by a Congressional Committee nothing more and nothing less. One of the reasons that the Committee is rarely mentioned these day is that their non-conclusion conclusion that there was a possible conspiracy ruled out Cuba, the Soviets, the mob, the CIA and anyone else that would matter. It was the committee's finding that Oswald had fired three shots, upheld the single bullet theory and everything else. The only thing that they came up with that differed from the Warren Commission was that their was a second shooter who fired and missed from the Grassy Knoll a theory that was based upon the faulty sound analysis of the open mike on a Dallas police officer's motorcycle.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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I am intrigued why the official US Government position, as expressed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, is getting zero play.[/i]
That's because it's conclusion on two shooters was based almost entirely on recording from an open mic from a motorcycle police officer at the time.
Not only has it since been validated that this police officer was no where near the assassination site, but also modern sound and acoustic computer analysis has proved the conclusion that it recorded gun fire at all as false. It's simply an embarrassment to mention it now, even for conspiracy theorists.
In other words, it's main piece of evidence can now be dismissed, which means it's conclusion about two shooters can be dismissed.
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Old 11-22-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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Sorry but the House Select Committee on Assassinations is not the "official" position of the U.S. government it is a report by a Congressional Committee nothing more and nothing less. One of the reasons that the Committee is rarely mentioned these day is that their non-conclusion conclusion that there was a possible conspiracy ruled out Cuba, the Soviets, the mob, the CIA and anyone else that would matter. It was the committee's finding that Oswald had fired three shots, upheld the single bullet theory and everything else. The only thing that they came up with that differed from the Warren Commission was that their was a second shooter who fired and missed from the Grassy Knoll a theory that was based upon the faulty sound analysis of the open mike on a Dallas police officer's motorcycle.
That's not all the Grassy Knoll theory was based on. People ran toward the grassy knoll. Police ran toward it. Witnesses even saw smoke there. People--including police--heard gunshots and police would have been familiar with any echoes or odd acoustics. It is said--and this is not factual--but it is said that police found some men on the grassy knoll who looked like they have just fired a gun and were putting it away into a black bag. They would have detained these suspicious men but the men were dressed like secret service men. Why would secret service men been standing on the grassy knoll?

Just some questions. No one's ever going to solve this murder.
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Old 11-23-2013, 09:16 AM
 
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fearing that he was not only a possible agent provocateur but an unstable nutcase to boot.
Castro was pretty politically agile and shrewd wasn't he? And he's still hanging around! And as far as Lee O, definitely a loose cannon.

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No one's ever going to solve this murder.
I've always thought it incredible that this debate on the assassination has gone on this long. A man is shot in broad daylight and still 'facts' fail to pull the veil off the supposed 'truth' of what occurred in front of everyone's eyes. Maybe old Edgar Allan Poe would be good in this instance if he was around. He wasn't too shabby in the art of ratiocination...;-).....
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Old 11-23-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Maybe old Edgar Allan Poe would be good in this instance if he was around. He wasn't too shabby in the art of ratiocination...;-).....
Talk about mysteries -- Forget about JFK, the death of Edgar Allen Poe is the mystery! A subject for another topic here in the history forum...
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Old 11-23-2013, 06:57 PM
 
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That's not all the Grassy Knoll theory was based on.
That is all it was based upon by the House Select Committee which was the question at hand.


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People ran toward the grassy knoll. Police ran toward it. Witnesses even saw smoke there. People--including police--heard gunshots and police would have been familiar with any echoes or odd acoustics. It is said--and this is not factual--but it is said that police found some men on the grassy knoll who looked like they have just fired a gun and were putting it away into a black bag. They would have detained these suspicious men but the men were dressed like secret service men. Why would secret service men been standing on the grassy knoll?
Witnesses are the worst witnesses when it comes to recounting fact. As for the police... the police are no better than soldiers figuing out where the sound a gun shot has come from in an urban environment particularly when dealing with six different sounds of a gun shot... six, yes six. Three explosions from the bullet propellent and three sounds of explosions as the bullets broke the sound barrier. Six sounds reverberating across an urban valley.

Good luck with that one.


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No one's ever going to solve this murder.
You mean no is going to solve this murder to the satisfaction of everyone.

Signed a former JFK conspiracy believer.
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Old 11-23-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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The following radio interviews are interesting in pinpointing 'conspiratorial elements'
The first is Jim Marrs at 12:00
He brings up the question of JFK at its most basic: do you believe and trust the governments investigation findings and the thoroughness / integrity of the Assassination investigation. And of course why so much classifying (locking up) and confiscation and outright obstruction of records if it was such a clear solution to the JFK assassination? The timeline of rifle and evidence of fingerprints. The funeral home director story of agents placing LHO fingerprints on the rifle. The autopsy photos being fabricated. Intimidation of witnesses, the Policeman's audio recording etc...

Walt Brown former FBI agent at 39:00
He points out the overwhelming coincidental presence of US Army intelligence as well as the strange low level of secret service agents on detail of the motorcade that day; considering there were two prior known plans the six weeks prior in Chicago and Tampa.

Jerome Corsi, author of The Men who Shot Kennedy, at 1:16:30
He describes the chain of evidence / destruction of evidence issues at Parkland Hospital where JFK was taken and the original attending highly proficient doctors autopsy statements/ observations versus the 'official' one from the government (Bethesda).

Robert Morningstar at 1:55:00
He describes the history of the various intelligence agencies / mob / anti Castro efforts, the Political landscape, Lee Harvey Oswald and his 'history'. Directorate of 5412 Operation. Intimidation of witnesses etc...




Coast To Coast Am - November 22 2013 - JFK Special XI - YouTube

I'm sure some will target the medium - my challenge would be to examine the content.
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Old 11-24-2013, 07:36 PM
 
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Talk about mysteries -- Forget about JFK, the death of Edgar Allen Poe is the mystery! A subject for another topic here in the history forum...
Pardon all going off topic but come to think of it you're correct! Maybe a conspiracy too to get rid of him and ultimately his writing, eh? He scared the hell out of alot of people north and south of the Mason-Dixon line. hmmm, is he still there in that Balt cemetery? .;-)..
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