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I hesitate to ask, but... with what? This isn't going to be another chorus of that "45-million man" fantasy again, is it? Half the invasion force of Operation Neptune, and most of the naval craft, were American, and it was still no sure thing. How exactly was were the British going to make up for the lack of American troops and equipment?
And please - any answer that includes the phrase "Turkish ambassador" will be laughed out of the room.
The invasion fleet was drawn from eight different navies, comprising 6,939 vessels: 1,213 warships, 4,126 landing craft of various types, 736 ancillary craft, and 864 merchant vessels. The majority of the fleet was supplied by the UK and Canada, who provided 892 warships and 3,261 landing craft.
In terms of the invasion force, Second Army consisted of 83,115 men, 61,715 of them British. The US forces from First Army totalled approximately 73,000 men.
I hesitate to ask, but... with what? This isn't going to be another chorus of that "45-million man" fantasy again, is it?
The largest empire the world has ever seen is the British empire it had the manpower available to form a 45 million man army. Simple maths will tell you that.
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Half the invasion force of Operation Neptune, and most of the naval craft, were American, and it was still no sure thing. How exactly was were the British going to make up for the lack of American troops and equipment?
Please read some history and stop making it up. The naval support was overwhelmingly British who planned the operation.
If US forces were not involved the British could dig into its empire. It is that simple. The US wanted to be involved to stop the Russians more than defeat the Germans. US industrialists and bankers were shaking in their boots that there may be a new world order with them not enriching themselves.
Re: "WW2 was a joint effort and to hear any nation claim that it somehow saved the day single-handedly or bailed any one out is both embarrassing and disrespectful to the millions who died from other nations who laid down their lives"
Ultimately I'd think all who study WWII cannot get away from this . 'Allies' by definition implies contribution, each to its own. They had a difficult job with prickly and insufferable personalities but they got the job done.
But just an aside on those Arctic convoys sending on important materiel to the war effort. Not only was the materiel for the Allies but also for Russia as it ramped up its efforts in its war in the East. The loss rate for Russian convoys was 7.2% and 0.2% for other ocean convoys. It was noted by commentators that any interruption in the supplies to Russia brought a 'clamor' from them.
And this was due to their desperate shortage if equipment, so they really relied on those convoys. Thing is British commentary on the war suggests we can infer that without thise convoys (and many deaths and ship losses) the Soviets would have been hard pressed to push back Hitler's. Once again the war in all theaters sure looks as if it cannot be be considered anything other than 'combined' operations.
it was not FREE help. Britain had to pay back everything the Americans gave them. American help was just business to them
American arms manufacturers did not discriminate and sold to Germans AND British for the first half of the war. After the war they took Nazi scientists in as citizens to develop first the Nuclear bombs to drop on Japan and the missiles to fire them later and then to the develop the space program... and don't ignore the fact that without Russian help even the mighty USA would have had a hard time defeating Hitler.
The USA did not sell arms to Germany anytime during the war. Maybe years before the war but so did many countries as many countries do that when no war is going on. And how could the USA take Nazi scientists in after the war to make the atom bomb to drop on Japan when the bomb was dropped before the war ended ??? Thats a good one. They did get German scientist after the war as many countries wanted their knowledge. We could have let the Soviets get them all as I am sure Stalin and his polite ways would have not wanted any German scientist.
To stop eveil you ned to be more powerful then them so of course the USA and Britian got all the smart German scientist before the Soviets as they knew how eveil Stalin was by the end of the war and how much he lied and went back on his word about eastern Europe and Poland. So sure the USA and Britian did not want all that knowledge to fall in the hands of Stalin.
So I guess you think that if the tables were turned Britian would have given anything to its allies for free in the war. Not many countries in fact no countries give away its war material for free even to its allies. But the USA did a hell of alot for its allies in fact they did more then any other allies did for them to help win a war that we wanted to stay out of in the first place.
The fact is any nation would have had a hard time defeating Hitler on its own. But since you bring that up if the USA had fought Hitler by themself's then they would have taken many of the 4 million men in its Navy that was defeating Japan and turned them into army ground troops and added to its 8.3 million man army since the war in Europe was mainly a ground war. We would not have needed the largest Navy in the history of the world if we were fighting only Hitler since he did not have much of a navy other then the U-boats. Ron
The USA did not sell arms to Germany anytime during the war. Maybe years before the war but so did many countries as many countries do that when no war is going on. And how could the USA take Nazi scientists in after the war to make the atom bomb to drop on Japan when the bomb was dropped before the war ended ??? Thats a good one. They did get German scientist after the war as many countries wanted their knowledge. We could have let the Soviets get them all as I am sure Stalin and his polite ways would have not wanted any German scientist.
To stop eveil you ned to be more powerful then them so of course the USA and Britian got all the smart German scientist before the Soviets as they knew how eveil Stalin was by the end of the war and how much he lied and went back on his word about eastern Europe and Poland. So sure the USA and Britian did not want all that knowledge to fall in the hands of Stalin.
So I guess you think that if the tables were turned Britian would have given anything to its allies for free in the war. Not many countries in fact no countries give away its war material for free even to its allies. But the USA did a hell of alot for its allies in fact they did more then any other allies did for them to help win a war that we wanted to stay out of in the first place.
The fact is any nation would have had a hard time defeating Hitler on its own. But since you bring that up if the USA had fought Hitler by themself's then they would have taken many of the 4 million men in its Navy that was defeating Japan and turned them into army ground troops and added to its 8.3 million man army since the war in Europe was mainly a ground war. We would not have needed the largest Navy in the history of the world if we were fighting only Hitler since he did not have much of a navy other then the U-boats. Ron
The poster was probably referring to the scientists that escaped Nazi Germany & came here prior to the start of WW2. And don't forget, the war against Germany in Europe ended several months before the Pacific war against Japan. So it was technically possible for some Nazi scientists to be here during the late stages of the Manhattan Project, but I don't recall reading that ever happened. Our rocket & ballistic missile development in the 50's & 60's however were another matter. We gained much knowledge from Werner Von Braun and some of his associates.
In europe, it was America and Russia that defeated the Germans with the help of many other countries. In Asia, America defeated Japan.
many countries were involved in WW2 it wasn't just America and Russia, it was called "the allies" for a reason. you've been watching too many John Wayne movies!!!
So, Britain (including the excellent Indian Army) the Anzacs, and the other assorted allied participants in the Pacific theatre were playing the part of voyeurs?
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