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For the same reason the Japanese government denies Nanking. And the Americans deny (or at least ignore) the Philippines.
But, just to make a discussion of it, how sure are you that the information that you have received about Armenia, Nanking, the Holocaust, etc, is accurate?
There are interests that have both a motive and an opportunity to lie about the severeity of those tragedies. In fact, when the number of victims is in doubt, even grade school text books will "exaggerate" (i.e., use the most sensational number) to describe human losses in everything from Pompeii to Genghis Khan. Sensationalsm sells, and our grade school are selling history to the same wide-eyed kids who can't get enouth of Tyrannosaurus Rex and Killer Sharks.
Even in America, the actual number of Indian non-combatants killed by white settlers west of the Mississippi was probably lless than 5,000. In the entirety of global history, the number of white missionaries who have been boiled in pots by cannibals with bones through their noses is probably either one or zero.
There is a very strong tendency (and motive and opportunity and well-funded means of dissemination) for pedestrian history to gravely exaggerate the excesses of "primitive man", right up to and includng Somali pirates. What we attribute to "them" serves the useful function of making "us" look like little angels by contrast.
In the entirety of global history, the number of white missionaries who have been boiled in pots by cannibals with bones through their noses is probably either one or zero.
Even in America, the actual number of Indian non-combatants killed by white settlers west of the Mississippi was probably lless than 5,000.
What an outrageous lie. Which white man's propagandist are you parroting? The genocide/ethnic cleansing against native Americans was systematic, systematic, widespread and appalling. Even the most rabid Limbaugh Loonie with half a brain wouldn't claim a number less than 2 million.
"By conservative estimates, the population of the United states prior to European contact was greater than 12 million. Four centuries later, the count was reduced by 95% to 237 thousand. Sharon Johnston, The Genocide of Native Americans: A Sociological View, 1996.
Population history of American indigenous peoples - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Historian David Stannard is of the opinion that the indigenous peoples of America (including Hawaii)[29] were the victims of a "Euro-American genocidal war."[30] While conceding that the majority of the indigenous peoples fell victim to the ravages of European disease, he estimates that almost 100 million died in what he calls the American Holocaust.[31] Stannard's perspective has been joined by Kirkpatrick Sale, Ben Kiernan, Lenore A. Stiffarm, and Phil Lane, Jr., among others; the perspective has been further refined by Ward Churchill, who has said that "it was precisely malice, not nature, that did the deed."[30]
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In the entirety of global history, the number of white missionaries who have been boiled in pots by cannibals with bones through their noses is probably either one or zero.
So now you are doing exactly what I described. You are using the figure 100-million, which is the high-end estimate, even if it includes both American continents, and includes everyone who died of unintentional introduction of diseases and the long-term consequences of being displaced.
And I specified "west of the Mississippi", the area that most Saturday matinee-goers saw in vivid detail in massacres which were, on the screen, far in excees of their actual numbers. The huge majority of Indian casualties from white encounters were earlier, in the eastern states, and this massacre remains largely unreported to school-age populations, and most adults are not aware that most Indian carnage was in the east. For the same reason that the Turks do not tell their citizens about Armenia, which vividly answers the OP question.
I recently read a book on the Plymouth/Provincetown landings. Evidently the destruction of the Indians by disease (which, for the most part, no one planned because no one really understood it on either side, as evidenced by European treatment methods) had become very advanced even by the early 1600s. One reason the early English/Dutch colonists were able to get footholds is that the local Indians were so depopulated, so evidently the pre-Jamestown/Plymouth Europeans brought some pretty deadly ailments. Smallpox is the obvious candidate but I'm not sure it was the only one. Had it not been for disease it might have taken a small army and navy to get a settlement ashore and safeguarded, because there would be less land to just grab.
The most deliberate large-scale slaughter of Native Americans in North America came indirectly, via the extermination of the plains buffalo. There was definitely an element of deliberateness in the way the buffalo were killed and their habitat denied them. As far as assigning actual numbers to that, of course, it's difficult because there wasn't exactly a Native American Census.
There are interests that have both a motive and an opportunity to lie about the severeity of those tragedies. In fact, when the number of victims is in doubt, even grade school text books will "exaggerate" (i.e., use the most sensational number) to describe human losses in everything from Pompeii to Genghis Khan. Sensationalsm sells, and our grade school are selling history to the same wide-eyed kids who can't get enouth of Tyrannosaurus Rex and Killer Sharks.
Would you extend your logic to the holocaust too?
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Why the denial and the lies ?
I'm not Turkish, no Armenian either. So I guess I can be called a fair Judge
The Turks did commit "genocide".
No doubt.
They won't admit it. They are looking to appease the EU and sneak in.
They also carry the tag of a moderate Islamic country, which is the biggest joke of all.
There's rain in Turkey's forest right now
The only "man" to call out Turkey is Sarko. He has "balls", which the rest of the EU tuxedos have stored in their pockets.
The Holocaust is practically the poster child of the phenomenon. The official figure of holocaust deaths has become carved in stone, and in some countries it is a criminal offense to re-inquire into it. The "official" numbers for the holocaust are those provided by the people who have the most to gain by inflating the numbers. This is not to say that they did, but rather to say that they had the motive and the opportunity to do so, and have very effectively silenced anyone who disagreed with them. Not exactly pure science.
The Holocaust is practically the poster child of the phenomenon. The official figure of holocaust deaths has become carved in stone, and in some countries it is a criminal offense to re-inquire into it. The "official" numbers for the holocaust are those provided by the people who have the most to gain by inflating the numbers. This is not to say that they did, but rather to say that they had the motive and the opportunity to do so, and have very effectively silenced anyone who disagreed with them. Not exactly pure science.
I have to disagree, but I appreciate you sticking to your stance. Many would patch up. You've got some serious integrity, jtur
I had to re-read your comment, thinking you had left out a word---"You've got some serious integrity issues". Just wondering, specifically, what part of what I said that you have to disagree with? Stressing again, that I do not contest the Holocaust accounts, but rather the process through which the official version was ratified.
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