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Old 02-27-2014, 07:42 AM
 
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Most Europeans were and still are. Deal with it
No they aren't. Deal with it!
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Old 02-27-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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Default Was Churchill an anti-semite ?

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Was Churchill an anti-semite ?

Probably. And at times he was probably a pro-semite as well.

Thing is that this was a man who served in Parliament for more then 60 years. He was first elected in 1900 when he was still in his mid 20s and Queen Victoria was Queen. He was Home Secretary by 1910 and First Lord of the Admiralty (Royal Navy) by 1911. And of course he was Prime Minister during WW2 and also again in the 1950s and served as a MP into the 1960s.

Now that's a LONG time in politics and the world changed greatly over his lifetime. He made countless speeches, many interviews, and wrote a number of books. So if you want to attack the man I am sure you can find lots of ammunition. But in the end I think you need to put him in the context of his times.
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:18 AM
 
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Its your first article that got posted by mistake that got my attention. Let me ask you:

1. Do you believe in an international banking conspiracy?

2. Do you believe Churchill knew the Germans would sink the Lusitania and stood by and did nothing?

3. Do you believe historical events are all part of a conspiracy of some sort?
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:52 PM
 
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Did you actually read the article before deciding on the above summation? Where to you see Communism being praised? For example, here is one of Churchill's characterizations of communism in the article:

You read this and concluded it was praise? Could you explain this interpretation?

As for Zionism, Churchill appears to be citing it as a positive influence in diluting the Jews concentration on Bolshevism as the solution to world affairs.

What article were you reading?
true, Churchill said nothing but practical praise for the Zionist movement.
Still, he also seems to decry only certain aspects of Communism, such as the paranoia
(justified, one might add) and anti-Zionism of Trotsky and does not
attack Communism as an ideal. He was especially fond of ARCOS.

"As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia's economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organisations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholders of friendship with France and Great Britain."


The All-Russian Co-operative Society (ARCOS) was the principal body responsible for the orchestration of Anglo-Russian trade in the early days of Soviet Russia, following the development of Lenin's New Economic Policy. In 1927 the organisation was raided by British authorities, who accused the company as serving as a front for subversive activities.
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Old 02-27-2014, 01:56 PM
 
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Its your first article that got posted by mistake that got my attention. Let me ask you:

1. Do you believe in an international banking conspiracy?

2. Do you believe Churchill knew the Germans would sink the Lusitania and stood by and did nothing?

3. Do you believe historical events are all part of a conspiracy of some sort?
1. yes
2. he knew it very well could, yes, alternatively some believe the armaments on board
exploded, and that's what really brought down the ship. The British covered up the evidence.
3. since the so-called "enlightenment", the birth of secret societies exploded. Yes, they have
been operating to various degrees of success for a few hundred years now.
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:48 PM
 
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1. yes
2. he knew it very well could, yes, alternatively some believe the armaments on board
exploded, and that's what really brought down the ship. The British covered up the evidence.
3. since the so-called "enlightenment", the birth of secret societies exploded. Yes, they have
been operating to various degrees of success for a few hundred years now.
Cue up Diana Ross...I'm coming out...I want the world to know...I'm gonna let it show...

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Old 02-27-2014, 06:10 PM
 
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1. yes
2. he knew it very well could, yes, alternatively some believe the armaments on board
exploded, and that's what really brought down the ship. The British covered up the evidence.
3. since the so-called "enlightenment", the birth of secret societies exploded. Yes, they have
been operating to various degrees of success for a few hundred years now.
Ok, I think I am finally beginning to understand.
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:22 PM
 
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true, Churchill said nothing but practical praise for the Zionist movement.
Still, he also seems to decry only certain aspects of Communism, such as the paranoia
(justified, one might add) and anti-Zionism of Trotsky and does not
attack Communism as an ideal. He was especially fond of ARCOS.

"As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia's economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organisations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholders of friendship with France and Great Britain."


The All-Russian Co-operative Society (ARCOS) was the principal body responsible for the orchestration of Anglo-Russian trade in the early days of Soviet Russia, following the development of Lenin's New Economic Policy. In 1927 the organisation was raided by British authorities, who accused the company as serving as a front for subversive activities.
None of the above explains your labeling Churchill's quoted thoughts with:
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Here's Winston praising Communism but deriding Zionism in 1920
It was Churchill trashing communism and citing Zionism as useful in undermining communism among Jews.

and...
snowball:
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3. since the so-called "enlightenment"
"so called?" Is this like one of those low rent attorney tactics .."Alright Mr. Williams, if that is your real name, can you tell us..."

Are you arguing that no enlightenment actually took place? Are you arguing that there was an enlightenment but it was actually a negative rather than a positive step for the world?

Or did you just think that you would look cool by snapping off a bogus characterization and no one would question it?
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Old 02-28-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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Germans, during the so called NAZI times, actually believed that mixed blood Jews are the worst, as comparing to the pure blood ones. They even said that their blood cells are of different shape. Another example of the same terrorizing breed was Vladimir Ulyanov, qrtr blood Jew, who sunk his Motherland in blood of his own countrymen.
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Old 03-01-2014, 01:32 AM
 
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Churchill was an anti-semite in the same way that Nixon, Truman, and Joseph Kennedy were. He held absolutely horrendous stereotypes of Jews and freely used slurs. In spite of that, he supported Zionism and had positive views of English Jews. He was a racist of the highest order though and generally had a very low view of anyone who was non Western European.
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