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Old 04-04-2014, 11:01 AM
 
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Barnum meant that there is a potential customer born every minute. The negative connotation came along much later.
Yep...right after they saw the Egress
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Old 04-04-2014, 12:38 PM
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Specifically, American English. How far back in time could someone from today go and still effectively communicate? And how would they react to modern slang/curses?
Anytime between 1432 and 1996. Outside that time line, and it's all weird!
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Old 04-04-2014, 01:01 PM
 
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Well, I don't read Asterisk, so I don't know what you're going on about.
That's too bad, those comics are really funny. Although they don't seem very historically accurate.


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Old 04-04-2014, 06:12 PM
 
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They would not know what they meant, or they would misunderstand by applying an interpretation which prevailed in their time but has subsequently evolved. You do not have to go very far back to get into differing meanings. For example most people take P.T. Barnum's "There's a sucker born every minute" to mean an exploitable rube is born every minute. That is not what Barnum meant because in the mid 19th Century, "sucker" simply meant patron or supporter..a fan. During elections folks identified themselves as suckers for Douglas or suckers for Fremont, someone might note that he or she was a sucker for Ma's apple fritters.

Barnum meant that there is a potential customer born every minute. The negative connotation came along much later.

LOL you made me recall this exchange, "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is".
Monica Lewinsky was a 'sucker' for President Clinton Or as President Clinton said later, " I didn't know Ms Lewinsky was Jewish I thought she was a Pentacostal Christian and was speaking in tongues."

To the OPs question, it would be like any language. There is 'cultural distance' in linguistics in direct relation to time distance. Simple example, 19th century many people happily expressed being 'gay' - but just not in the way it has been coopted linguistically.

So, I'd say about 12th century it would work with increasing levels of difficulty depending on the person's ability to express and communicate in multiple ways.
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Old 04-04-2014, 06:31 PM
 
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Several years ago we had an Australian exchange student move in with us for awhile. It was a chore understanding him!
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:41 PM
 
Location: Finally escaped The People's Republic of California
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Simple example, 19th century many people happily expressed being 'gay' - but just not in the way it has been coopted linguistically.

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That meaning has changed since the 60's
When the Flintstones were having a gay old time
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Old 04-05-2014, 01:46 PM
 
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At 1st I struggled with English before the 19th century, though these were largely written by Brits but I'm sure American English would have also been unintelligible.
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:59 PM
 
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I'd say 200 years or so. About 1800-1825 would be the earliest.
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Old 04-07-2014, 10:30 AM
 
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Well if you travel to Newcastle, Edinburgh or Newfoundland in 2014 you might already be facing problems communicating with some people...
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Old 04-07-2014, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Well if you travel to Newcastle, Edinburgh or Newfoundland in 2014 you might already be facing problems communicating with some people...
After Doc Martin, which is set in Cornwall, they had a feature about the production. They interviewed the actors. They showed how they use an accent which is authentically Cornwall, but don't use the *full* local accent. They did a few lines in it and you'd have no idea what they said outside of Cornwall. This is why the bbc still subtitles its own dialects.

They might understand you but if they didn't want you to understand them, they could just speak the local language.

When Poldark, which is set in the 17 to 1800's Cornwall, they did use the full thing with the native cornish, and it was subtitled or you wouldn't have a clue what they said.
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