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Old 04-05-2014, 01:48 PM
 
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A British documentary says that Hitler may have married a Jew!!!

Eva Braun was Jewish on her mother's side. I bet Herr Schicklgruber is turning over in whatever grave he's buried in. Read the article @ Hitler May Have Married a Jew - Documentary suggests Eva Braun has Jewish ancestry
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Old 04-05-2014, 02:02 PM
 
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"Hiter was a Jew"
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:23 PM
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Location: 3rd rock from a nearby star
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"Hiter was a Jew"
I tend to think Hitler being a Jew trumps his marrying a Jew.

Though we have to be careful with definitions, Jewishness is inherited matrilineally, patrilineal Jewishness requires a slight conversion / acceptance dance. Only children who are born of women who themselves are Jews are considered Jews at birth. Though the specifics vary enormously from temple to temple and there are many degrees of what is or isn't acceptable within congregations.

To just see the tip of the iceberg about how messy it gets - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...trilineal.html

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According to traditional Jewish law, someone is a Jew if he or she is born to a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism. Therefore, a child who is born to a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother is not Jewish even if raised with a Jewish identity. Prior to the 1960s, when intermarriage in the United States was relatively uncommon, this law had few practical consequences. Today, however, more than one third of Jews intermarry and, more often than not, it is Jewish men who marry non-Jewish women. As a result, there are an estimated 220,000 children in the United States born to nonJewish women who are married to Jewish men.

In March 1983, the Reform movement broke with the Orthodox and Conservative Jewish sects - and with Jewish law - and declared that a child born of one Jewish parent, whether it is the mother or the father, is under the presumption of being Jewish. This patrilineal descent resolution went on to state that a person's Jewishness is not, however, automatic, but must be activated by "appropriate and timely" Jewish acts. It is not enough to simply be born to a Jewish parent. The Reform movement also notes that in the Bible the line always followed the father, including the cases of Joseph and Moses, who married into non-Israelite priestly families.
Debates about this stuff go on and on without end.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:31 PM
 
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even IF that's her hair, and she has a shred of "ashkenazi" in her,
what does it truly mean concerning her "race" ?
that, is still being debated.
Top Israeli scientist says Ashkenazi Jews came from Khazaria, not Palestine | Darkmoon
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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I tend to think Hitler being a Jew trumps his marrying a Jew.

Though we have to be careful with definitions, Jewishness is inherited matrilineally, patrilineal Jewishness requires a slight conversion / acceptance dance. Only children who are born of women who themselves are Jews are considered Jews at birth. Though the specifics vary enormously from temple to temple and there are many degrees of what is or isn't acceptable within congregations.

To just see the tip of the iceberg about how messy it gets - https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...trilineal.html



Debates about this stuff go on and on without end.
That's how Jews define their inheritance. The Nazis didn't adhere to that. They killed anybody with Jewish ancestry if they found out about them.
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Old 04-05-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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That's how Jews define their inheritance. The Nazis didn't adhere to that. They killed anybody with Jewish ancestry if they found out about them.
Not entirely true. They sent them to labor camps and then killed a large amount
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Old 04-05-2014, 07:41 PM
 
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Greater irony


England and the US defeated fascism. . . . .

So that a few decades later, they could both spiral into socialism.
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Old 04-06-2014, 12:28 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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A British documentary says that Hitler may have married a Jew!!!

Eva Braun was Jewish on her mother's side. I bet Herr Schicklgruber is turning over in whatever grave he's buried in. Read the article @ Hitler May Have Married a Jew - Documentary suggests Eva Braun has Jewish ancestry
I'll wait for this to be confirmed first.

Also, Yes, Linda appears to be correct here--the Nazis didn't care about which part of your family was Jewish--rather, they cared about the percentage of Jewish ancestry which one had.
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Old 04-06-2014, 05:47 AM
 
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1. Jesus was a Jew, but that didn't stop supposed "Christians" from killing his kin.

2. Zionism, which is ostensibly accepted as pro-Jewish, was adopted early on by the Nazis as a way of rounding up the Jews to get them out of Germany.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:53 AM
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1. Jesus was a Jew, but that didn't stop supposed "Christians" from killing his kin.

2. Zionism, which is ostensibly accepted as pro-Jewish, was adopted early on by the Nazis as a way of rounding up the Jews to get them out of Germany.
Bingo! Most Christians so not understand this.

An understanding of Jewish culture would make Christians better followers of Jesus based on personal experience.

For years I never understood why Jesus had 12 apostles, or why Judas was at the last supper. When I learned Jews needed 13 men to hold many services it made sense. A traveling Jewish ministry requires 13 men, or Jesus and 12 apostles.
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