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Old 07-10-2014, 01:55 PM
 
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It seems a bit off target to blame an entire race for something a few among that race did 150 plus years ago. If someone wants to blame the white race for american slavery, they must also be reminded that it was that same white race that stomped out american slavery in 1865.
Well, no, that's not what the OP says. The OP says: "Why does blame for slavery fall solely on white slave owners?" Not the whole race. Just those who owned slaves.

 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:00 PM
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A few?? Over half of the White people who lived in the U.S. had African slaves, for the Whites who didn't have slaves it wasn't out of some sense of morality, but most likely because they couldn't afford to purchase slaves. If you think "some" of that hate and bigotry hasn't been passed down, you're kidding yourself. The U.S. is still deeply racist against Non-Whites.

He said a "few among the race." As important as America thinks it is, it was not the be all and end-all of the white race, and certainly not in the 1800s. This is like when you equate "black Americans" with "black people", as if they are coterminous, when in fact black Americans are a minority of the black people of the world.

The problem comes down to the fact that people say "slavery" when they mean "US Slavery". The taking and selling of black slaves from Africa by Arabs existed well prior to, and subsequent to, Western white slave traders in Africa; the taking and selling of black slaves by black slave traders to white, arab and black slave owners; the state of modern Africa as the continent with the largest number of present-day slaves; the massive world history of non-black slavery prior to Western white involvement in Africa, all come under "slavery".

White slave owners of course are the ultimate source of blame for US slavery, and their accomplices, the slave-traders are indistinguishable in blame. It wasn't white abolitionists was it now? It wasn't the John Browns or the William Wilberforces.


People are loose with their terms and then the slings and arrows start flying. Lets say "US Slavery" when we mean "US Slavery" lest we appear ignorant of world history by making statements that miss the mark.

And your easy anti-white racism that all non-slave owning whites were just likely too poor to own slaves. smh. Your view of history is about as blinkered as those opposite you.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:00 PM
 
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Why is it that they put all the blame for slavery on the white american/european slave owners yet none on thier fellow African tribesmen who were responsible for the gathering and selling of these very same slaves during the transatlantic slave trade? ?

Ummmm because they have no connection to their "fellow tribesmen" or their descendants. They can only see the ancestors of the slaveowners. Can't blame a ghost. Either way it's stupid. I'm not gonna lie, I think African Americans with slave history in this country need to get their **** together and stop trying too hard to be ghetto. They have the worst problems of any other racial/ethnic group in this country because they act that way.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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I found it interesting that on a recent popular genealogy program, a black American traced his ancestry back to Africa. There he found, 400 years later, Africans who are still at war with each other, killing, capturing each other and selling each other as slaves to the highest bidder.

This is the reality that certain cultures within the US want to sweep under the rug. It's always easier to pass blame, than to look inward and take responsibility for certain issues that plague modern African Americans.

Slavery is not a race issue, it happens to every human culture through history and to this day. Some cultures survive and thrive, while others raise generations of children who are taught to be helpless victims who blame others for every failure - when this happens, you have an entire culture essentially brought up believing that they are victims, losers, and hold no responsibility for their own actions. They are mental slaves to their own race-baiting leaders who preach self-victimization, and politically correct, veiled racism against whites. This is how we end up with an epidemic of teen pregnancies in the US black population, and over 70% of black children being raised without fathers, low employment and education rates, and sky high crime rates - A cultural mentality that removes personal responsibility while always placing blame on others.

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Old 07-10-2014, 02:13 PM
 
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A few?? Over half of the White people who lived in the U.S. had African slaves,
I doubt that's true. The far greater population of people in general and whites in particular was in the non-slave north, and only about half of southerners were directly economically dependent on the slave industry (which is considerably greater than the number who actually owned slaves).

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for the Whites who didn't have slaves it wasn't out of some sense of morality, but most likely because they couldn't afford to purchase slaves.
No. The northern whites who were Abolitionists were certainly operating for moral purposes.

Another significant number opposed the expansion of slavery into western states because they correctly understood that slavery devalued the worth of a white man's individual labor, and that the introduction of slavery in the new territories by the wealthy would shuth them out of the ability to forge their own fortunes.

And yet another group--specifically immigrant populations like the Irish and Germans--opposed slavery because they themselves were conceivably vulnerable--some of the editorial rhetoric from the South actually suggested that slavery of the Irish and Germans should happen. Part of the northern white rioting against the Fugitive Slave Act was because it did make Irish and Germans vulnerable to be kidnapped into slavery.

They were not opposing slavery just "because they couldn't afford to purchase slaves." Most southerners fighting for the Confederacy couldn't afford to purchase slaves either--and it obviously didn't make them opposed to slavery.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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I found it interesting that on a recent popular genealogy program, a black American traced his ancestry back to Africa. There he found, 400 years later, Africans who are still at war with each other, killing, capturing each other and selling each other as slaves to the highest bidder.

This is the reality that certain cultures within the US want to sweep under the rug. It's always easier to pass blame, than to look inward and take responsibility for certain issues that plague modern African Americans.

Slavery is not a race issue, it happens to every human culture through history and to this day. Some cultures survive and thrive, while others raise generations of children who are taught to be helpless victims who blame others for every failure - when this happens, you have an entire culture essentially brought up believing that they are victims, losers, and hold no responsibility for their own actions.

This is very true. I read this on another thread:

Yes, ALL races have dealt with some form of slavery or another at some point.

The key is how well they are able to adapt and progress. Some races do a good job of surviving and thriving, while other wallow in blame and entitlement, essentially dooming their own people through a cultural lack of adaptation.

Jews who were slaughtered by the millions in recent history are a good example of a race that chooses progress and thriving over blame and self-victimization. Every white race has also been a victim of historical atrocities, but it is currently not the popular PC thing to do to acknowledge it.

Africans are still capturing, killing, and enslaving their own people to this day, while offering them for sale to the highest bidder, yet we are taught to ignore this and blame the white man for every cultural failure within the black community. They should take a lesson from the Jews or every other enslaved and persecuted race (lots of white people too) from history that went on to survive and thrive.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Bmachina View Post
I found it interesting that on a recent popular genealogy program, a black American traced his ancestry back to Africa. There he found, 400 years later, Africans who are still at war with each other, killing, capturing each other and selling each other as slaves to the highest bidder.

This is the reality that certain cultures within the US want to sweep under the rug. It's always easier to pass blame, than to look inward and take responsibility for certain issues that plague modern African Americans.

Slavery is not a race issue, it happens to every human culture through history and to this day. Some cultures survive and thrive, while others raise generations of children who are taught to be helpless victims who blame others for every failure - when this happens, you have an entire culture essentially brought up believing that they are victims, losers, and hold no responsibility for their own actions.
Certain European nations are selling their fellow European to the "highest bidder" as well. European trafficking and their black market is the biggest and most lucrative in the world. The poverty and corruption of European nations just isn't shoved down Americans throats via western media like Africa poverty and corruption is.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:19 PM
 
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This is very true. I read this on another thread:

Yes, ALL races have dealt with some form of slavery or another at some point.

The key is how well they are able to adapt and progress. Some races do a good job of surviving and thriving, while other wallow in blame and entitlement, essentially dooming their own people through a cultural lack of adaptation.

Jews who were slaughtered by the millions in recent history are a good example of a race that chooses progress and thriving over blame and self-victimization. Every white race has also been a victim of historical atrocities, but it is currently not the popular PC thing to do to acknowledge it.

Africans are still capturing, killing, and enslaving their own people to this day, while offering them for sale to the highest bidder, yet we are taught to ignore this and blame the white man for every cultural failure within the black community. They should take a lesson from the Jews or every other enslaved and persecuted race (lots of white people too) from history that went on to survive and thrive.
Well, Jews are not about to let the world forget about the Holocaust. I don't blame them, but "Never forget" is what they say.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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Absolutely NO white people alive in America today are responsible for slavery, or own slaves, or can be blamed for slavery.

Absolutely NO black people alive in America today have been or are slaves (excepting those who might be enslaved in the sex trade, which is a whole 'nother subject).

So those who are still playing the blame and "victim" games should give it a rest. I'm pretty sick of it, myself.
 
Old 07-10-2014, 02:26 PM
 
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Well, Jews are not about to let the world forget about the Holocaust. I don't blame them, but "Never forget" is what they say.
Yes but they dont use it as a crutch for thier shortcomings or failures. United they picked up, regrouped, and progressed.
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