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sIf for argument's sake, no attack on FT Sumter took place, and regardless, all southern states "seceded" from the union.
I really don't know what you are trying to get at...but. Lincoln's strategy if you can call it that was to delay as long as possible taking any action against the secessionist. The thinking was that as his administration settled in it would be able to prove itself to the south it had no intention of interfering with their beloved slavery nor would the Federal government backdown from enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act.
But those shots were fired when Union forces refused to leave a foreign country. Foreign, because South Carolina had already seceded from the Union, and the CSA had already been established.
It really is important to read the links that are posted, so that you don't repeat half baked arguments that have already been put away.
The problem with your argument, as I pointed out above, the state of South Carolina ceded the land upon which Ft. Sumter was built to the United States of America.
As a result, the land was not foreign, it was not part of South Carolina, when P. G. T. Beauregard's forces fired on the fort they were firing on U.S. territory.
I really don't know what you are trying to get at...but. Lincoln's strategy if you can call it that was to delay as long as possible taking any action against the secessionist. The thinking was that as his administration settled in it would be able to prove itself to the south it had no intention of interfering with their beloved slavery nor would the Federal government backdown from enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act.
That must have been made clear during his campaign speeches, and maybe his initial strategy before he took office. But as soon as he learned that the Confederates were moving artillery to bombard FT Sumter, he must have lost all illusions of living in peace and harmony with the south during his administration. In his inaugural speech he said: "In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war. The government will not assail you.... You have no oath registered in Heaven to destroy the government, while I shall have the most solemn one to preserve, protect and defend it."
That must have been made clear during his campaign speeches, and maybe his initial strategy before he took office...
Once again your presumptions are ahistorical. The evacuation of Ft. Moultrie and the siege of Ft. Sumter presaged Lincoln's inauguration. It would really behoove you to read the exhaustive histories of the Lincoln administration - Doris Kearns-Godwin's Team of Rivals would be a wonderful start - before posting your guess work and hypotheticals.
Once again your presumptions are ahistorical. The evacuation of Ft. Moultrie and the siege of Ft. Sumter presaged Lincoln's inauguration. It would really behoove you to read the exhaustive histories of the Lincoln administration - Doris Kearns-Godwin's Team of Rivals would be a wonderful start - before posting your guess work and hypotheticals.
it's not a 'presumption' on my part but an assumption...anyway, Lincoln was elected on November 6, 1860 that's a month before the evacuation of Ft. Moultrie and almost 4 months before Beauregard arrived in Charleston to siege Ft. Sumter. If you want to talk about presages, then why can you say that South Carolina’s secession on December 20, 1860 presaged the war against the north? Or, that Lincoln's election presaged the civil war?
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lincoln was a skilled politician who did a 180 on his election statements after he was in office.
what is horrid is the cause of the great war was never even addressed, illegal tarifs against the cotton trade with england.
all those southern men died or were crippled and and made debt slaves for 100 years, for nothing
lincoln did not free the slaves bek he loved them he freed them bek yankees were rioting against the draft and he needed soldiers.
Mario, are you aware that Congress can only propose amendments, that it takes two thirds of both chambers of Congress to propose an amendment, and that it takes three fourths of the states to approve a proposed amendment before said amendment is ratified?
Exactly the point he's making; that if the southern states had not seceded they would have been able to prevent a ratification by 3/4 of the states of Amendments 13, 14 and 15. As it was they were either not counted or forced to ratify the amendments in order to gain re-admission to the Union. Either way with the South being able to vote freely those amendments would never have passed.
Either way with the South being able to vote freely those amendments would never have passed.
That's 100% correct.
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