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Old 06-30-2015, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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Everybody knows it was supposed to mean the opposite. And, thanks for confirming what I said, btw.
Wow, you even argue when someone agrees with you.
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Old 06-30-2015, 02:48 PM
 
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Wow, you even argue when someone agrees with you.
Nope, I said it clear, it was supposed to mean the opposite. Now, let's take a look at who this "someone" really is; someone who likens horses and horse racing to human beings of different color and slavery to morally justify their condition. You baffle the mind...
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Old 06-30-2015, 03:46 PM
 
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Any form of slavery is despicable. Perpetrated by humans that believe they have some sense of superiority and entitlement. They think is moral, right and just because that's why they are stupid human beings with no moral compass. Stupid belief system or stupid indoctrination, take your pick, they both stupid. FWIW.
Slavery can take many forms. Today, the slavery is masked in illusions of freedom.
What is the difference between the tenement farmer and the suburban taxpayer
who rents his land from the municipality ? He works just as many hours, as does his
spouse, to have a rented piece of land that bears no sustainment, and he slaves for
the money masters who control and determine the rights and freedoms they dispense.
Indentured servitude and work was not without benefit for the blacks. You cannot
totally dismiss their heritage as it was formed here in these United States and say it
came with no fruit compared to their former existence on the dark continent.
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Old 06-30-2015, 05:05 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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You baffle the mind...
Well, at least yours, apparently.
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Old 06-30-2015, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Awesome thread.
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Old 06-30-2015, 10:24 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Slavery in many cases improved the lives of the workers.
Not to glorify it in any way, but it is also disparaged out of hand,
and its more painful episodes are often sensationalized in the characterizations
of art, literature and political commentary.
Many negroes were slaves in Africa.
Many negroes lived hard, violent, savage lives in Africa.
Some negroes had negro slaves.
Let us not forget the house servants and laborers.
Many lived far better lives and had more peace - and learned much to develop
their talents and abilities, and philosophies and religion.
Food, shelter, education, protection, stability, language, skills, etc.

This is a joke, right?
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:28 AM
 
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Slavery in many cases improved the lives of the workers.
Not to glorify it in any way, but it is also disparaged out of hand,
and its more painful episodes are often sensationalized in the characterizations
of art, literature and political commentary.
Many negroes were slaves in Africa.
Many negroes lived hard, violent, savage lives in Africa.
Some negroes had negro slaves.
Let us not forget the house servants and laborers.
Many lived far better lives and had more peace - and learned much to develop
their talents and abilities, and philosophies and religion.
Food, shelter, education, protection, stability, language, skills, etc.
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This is a joke, right?
Sadly, no. It is yet one more rendition of the Myth of the Happy Slave. The idea is that slave traders did Africans a FAVOR by kidnapping them, marching them halfway across Africa to ports where they would be sold, packed onto ships like sardines, under conditions that resulted in death rates of 25% to 30%, then sold once again upon reaching US shores, separated from friends and families forever, then traded back and forth between plantations like so much livestock.

Yeah. THIS is the result of "better lives" and "more peace:



Women were "bred", not married, and male slaves were referred to as "bucks" - the implication being that they were rutting stags and not men at all.

A female slave endured repeated forced rapes in an effort to breed more slaves.

Troublesome male slaves were castrated like hogs - because that is how you "gentle" animals. Slaves were branded - with hot irons, the mark of their enslavement and debasement burned into their very flesh.

In some states, miscegenation was illegal and was considered a form of bestiality. Not that that stopped anybody.

And those house slaves? That was just one more way to make women who were slaves more accessible to the appetites and sexual abuse of the "masters". Get on somebody's wrong side - master, mistress, didn't much make a difference - and female "house slaves" found themselves back in the fields and the breeding pens. Women and young girls, and not a few boys and young men, were sold into prostitution.

Education? Philosophy? IT IS TO LAUGH! In many slaves states, it was strictly forbidden - as in, against the law - to educate a slave or to so much as teach him or her the alphabet. Even where it was not actually illegal, it was strongly discouraged and rarely done.

Religion? I do NOT see forcing slaves to adopt their master's Christian religion and to give up their own religions as something that was good for them in any way shape or form. There's some major bigotry at work!

The fact that there was slavery on other continents didn't make it any less reprehensible here. The fact that a minority of free blacks owned slaves also does not excuse the practice - it is wrong for any human being to own another as if they were cattle. Those are merely facts; they are not excuses or justification.

Did all slave owners brutalize their slaves? Of course not. But brutalization and abuse were the norm, not the exception.

Trying to paint slavery in ANY sort of positive light is heinous as well as untruthful.
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:29 AM
 
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Slavery can take many forms. Today, the slavery is masked in illusions of freedom.
What is the difference between the tenement farmer and the suburban taxpayer
who rents his land from the municipality ? He works just as many hours, as does his
spouse, to have a rented piece of land that bears no sustainment, and he slaves for
the money masters who control and determine the rights and freedoms they dispense.
Indentured servitude and work was not without benefit for the blacks. You cannot
totally dismiss their heritage as it was formed here in these United States and say it
came with no fruit compared to their former existence on the dark continent.

Human immorality can take different degrees of human stupidity (simple-mindedness) so don't confuse those differences. Never mind how you view "slavery", just ask yourself, after the reconstruction, was the Jim Crow laws moral?
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:39 AM
 
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Human immorality can take different degrees of stupidity (simple-mindedness) so don't confuse those differences. Never mind how you view "slavery", just ask yourself, after the reconstruction, was the Jim Crow laws moral?
Yes, I believe the Jim Crow laws were moral and legitimate because the majority
of former plantation workers were not ready to assimilate. It wouldn't have done
them any good to force blacks and whites to live totally non-segretated after the
War Between the States. Blacks were better off living separately for some time,
although I do agree that in following decades the time to start overturning them
arrived.
Concerning my comments on slavery in America which have drawn some sharp
over-generalized criticism, if you are of the opinion that slavery brought no
benefits or even relative happiness to any slaves then you're just plain wrong
and need to do more research. Of course there were slaves that were abused
just like there were slaves which were treated as family members.
I would wonder what that poor negro in the photograph did to warrant those
lashes. How do you know he wasn't a murderer ?
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Old 07-01-2015, 05:46 AM
 
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Sadly, no. It is yet one more rendition of the Myth of the Happy Slave.
Thanks for taking the time to try to enlighten some seriously confused users on this board.

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