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1.The Japanese failed to destroy the dry docks and fuel depot
They didn't plan to do this because they could do this.
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2.They should of drawed out the US battleships to deeper water to ensure that they would never float and be used against them again.The Battle of Leyte Gulf the Japanese encounter the surviving Pearl Harbor battleships and deemed them ghost ships...scared the s#!t out of them.
"Please come out where we can deep six your ass." Yeah, that's a plan.
1.The Japanese failed to destroy the dry docks and fuel depot
2.They should of drawed out the US battleships to deeper water to ensure that they would never float and be used against them again.The Battle of Leyte Gulf the Japanese encounter the surviving Pearl Harbor battleships and deemed them ghost ships...scared the s#!t out of them.
Yah, the IJN Pearl Harbor strike force didn't have time (nor fuel) to hang around. Yes, the plan to sink capital ships @ anchor, in shallow water, shoot up the crews, give the engineers & mechanics & divers & everybody else a real hate for Japan - that was a plan that needed a serious rethink. The ships that were salvageable were up & either returned to duty, or ferried to California for more extensive repairs & refitting - & improvement - once the ship is out for a while, you may as while upgrade the systems.
IJN only sent fast aircraft carriers & fast escorts - because they wanted to be able to flee, if necessary. The uncertainty about being spotted by air, by USN subs, or by the missing US aircraft carriers, worried the strike force. They flew two waves, recovered their aircraft, & retreated back to Japanese controlled sea-lanes.
There were battleships with the Nagumo Kido Butai, the 3rd Battleship Division (less Section 2).
The Japanese had hoped that the Fleet would be at anchor off the west coast of the Big Island, but scouts reported that empty. (A formality, really, as Yoshikawa had already reported Pearl as being full, as usual for a weekend.)
Yah, the IJN Pearl Harbor strike force didn't have time (nor fuel) to hang around. Yes, the plan to sink capital ships @ anchor, in shallow water, shoot up the crews, give the engineers & mechanics & divers & everybody else a real hate for Japan - that was a plan that needed a serious rethink. The ships that were salvageable were up & either returned to duty, or ferried to California for more extensive repairs & refitting - & improvement - once the ship is out for a while, you may as while upgrade the systems.
IJN only sent fast aircraft carriers & fast escorts - because they wanted to be able to flee, if necessary. The uncertainty about being spotted by air, by USN subs, or by the missing US aircraft carriers, worried the strike force. They flew two waves, recovered their aircraft, & retreated back to Japanese controlled sea-lanes.
The Japanese thought we would just give up but Yamamoto warned that he would run amok across the Pacific for 6 months then he said he couldn't delivery victory if the war lasted beyond that and he was right.They indeed woke a sleeping giant.
You are right about the refitting the problem was you were never going to get these old BB to go faster than 20 knots they were not suited for fast carrier groups as the Iowa class was.
The Japanese navy was a first rate outfit Yamamoto blamed hot heads in the army for their rush to war against us.
You are right about the refitting the problem was you were never going to get these old BB to go faster than 20 knots they were not suited for fast carrier groups as the Iowa class was.
The fact that the new BBs were being built to keep up with the carriers should close the book on that debate.
Rather than write a long thread, I'll post a link to the History.net article as to why the attack was such a blunder on the part of the Japanese. The article is titled The Pearl Harbor Myth and you might have to scroll down to read it. In basics, the Japanese failed at Pearl Harbor. The goal was to put the US carrier fleet out of action. Obviously they failed as the carriers were not there. So now the attacking planes had the wrong ordinance for taking out battleships that explosive bombs would pretty much just bounce off of them. There was also confusion on the part of the Japanese at the beginning of the attack. The pilots were confused on what targets to go after since the carriers were not there. The Japanese did not have radios in the planes. And the leader of the Japanese air armada just sat and watched his planes screw it all up.
Read the article. It brings new light to an often misunderstood event. While the attack did set the US fleet back, the damage could have been several times more and the desired effect could have been achieved but once you see the numbers, it was a dismal blunder. Pearl Harbor | HistoryNet
I recommend Zimm's book highly! First new work I've seen on Pearl in a couple of decades.
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Pearl was a raid, & only a raid
