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Old 12-01-2019, 02:11 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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They played a very important part in keeping Hitler from taking over all Europe. They played a very important part in keeping Napoleon from taking over all Europe.

They played a huge part in post WW2 European stability that saw Germany and Europe divided into American and Russian spheres of influence.

Because the US had to complete with the Soviet Union, it gave movements like the civil rights snd the women’s rights movement huge boosts.

The Cold War saw both the US and USSR race with each other in technological advancements. The internet, our smartphones, etc are products of cold war research.
Those “benefits” are a bit dubious. Sort of similar to the side benefit if someone develops breast cancer and then pancreatic cancer; a collateral benefit of the chemotherapy is that it keeps the breast cancer more at bay than it otherwise would have been. Even though the latter is more often fatal.

The competition between the US and the USSR wasted a lot of resources and the collateral wars a lot of lives. Imagine life without such festivities as the Korean and Vietnamese wars. As well as complicating and worsening the 1956, 1967 and 1973 Arab- Israeli wars.

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Old 12-01-2019, 02:12 PM
 
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But since the US decided to wiggle out of this ultimate competition (attempting to trip its viable competitor, when given a chance,) and decided to take a short cut to the top position of the ultimate dominance over the world, the world is in spiral downfall now.
What a bizarre outlook....Because the US was/is superior in political system, economy, technology and pretty much everything else...., we wiggled out of the race?

Hahaha...more like we crushed them, laughed as we sped past, and they are still eating dust...

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Old 12-01-2019, 02:18 PM
 
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What a bizarre outlook....Because the US was/is superior in political system, economy, technology and pretty much everything else...., we wiggled out of the race?

Hahaha...more like we crushed them, laughed as we sped past, and they are still eating dust...

People always like to relitigate lost contests, such as the Civil War, the 1967 War, the 2016 election and in this case the Cold War. Nothing is ever settled that way.
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Old 12-01-2019, 02:29 PM
 
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And Russia does not come close to its potential regardless of their resources.
That's true of every country. Russia is nothing special in that regard. Most countries are poorer than Russia anyway.
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Old 12-01-2019, 02:33 PM
 
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Because the US had to complete with the Soviet Union, it gave movements like the civil rights snd the women’s rights movement huge boosts.

The Cold War saw both the US and USSR race with each other in technological advancements. The internet, our smartphones, etc are products of cold war research.
During the Cold War period the elite of the West was constantly afraid that communist ideology might reach the West and become sympathetic to the common people of the West. In some Western countries from Italy to Finland their communist and left parties received so many votes in the elections. In general this forced West European societies to make significant concessions to the common people and thus actually it built on the foundation for the welfare society of modern Western Europe.
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Old 12-01-2019, 03:18 PM
 
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People always like to relitigate lost contests, such as the Civil War, the 1967 War, the 2016 election and in this case the Cold War. Nothing is ever settled that way.

I know that's what you'd like to believe, but listen one more time CLOSELY to this, and then think about the US debt, China, growing internal problems, growing rift with EU, and you might realize that this "lost contest" might be not as "lost" as you imagine.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo
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Old 12-01-2019, 03:22 PM
 
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What a bizarre outlook....Because the US was/is superior in political system, economy, technology and pretty much everything else...., we wiggled out of the race?

Hahaha...more like we crushed them, laughed as we sped past, and they are still eating dust...


No, because the US THOUGHT that everything it had was "superior."

And if something was superior elsewhere, it needed to be crushed, destroyed, or relocated to the US.
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Old 12-01-2019, 03:46 PM
 
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The other contribution was the many wars the two sides fought in the rest of the world and the massive amount of weapons they distributed.

proxy wars lists

Both sides engaged in severe repression of local populations in their client states, if not their own respective countries. There are plenty of genocides and massacres to which both made contributions.
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Old 12-01-2019, 04:32 PM
 
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Be careful not to be entranced by good writing and a decent plot.

Russia wanted to be a premier European country, and under other circumstances might have been. It managed to defeat Germany. Arguably many of the deaths in that campaign were not the best and brightest, leaving a country more nationalistic and willing to fight. Duplicating the atomic bomb and Concorde and space shuttle out of bailing wire and duct tape is no mean feat.

Wars today are won by intellect and deceit. Gee, I wonder who...

It might not seem it, but IMO Russia has more to worry about from the Chinese than the west. Give it time.
Duplicating the Concorde? When? And given the Concorde's financial infeasibility duplication was waste? They made a single shuttle EIGHT years after the U.S. shuttle program became operational and their craft had limited usage. Sounds like lots of copying going on via espionage..
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Old 12-01-2019, 06:17 PM
 
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During the Cold War period the elite of the West was constantly afraid that communist ideology might reach the West and become sympathetic to the common people of the West. In some Western countries from Italy to Finland their communist and left parties received so many votes in the elections. In general this forced West European societies to make significant concessions to the common people and thus actually it built on the foundation for the welfare society of modern Western Europe.
That the U.S. is funding. And that traces more to corporatist views that predated "capitalism." Capitalism really only was a factor in the UK and other English-speaking countries.
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