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Old 01-19-2009, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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The poor were not directly affected by the crash. They were affected later when the people who were immediately impacted passed along their losses by foreclosing on the homes and the land of the poor.
..and that's why the stock market crash was such a great day?
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Old 01-19-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Although I think alcohol is one of the greatest dangers facing the American public, I think the day Prohibition was repealed is one of the few great days in American History. It is a rare day when all the people wake up in the morning with more (rather than less) personal freedom than they had the night before. In fact, that might have been the only such day. It even carried with it a certain inertia---people still say "Prohibition didn't work" when somebody starts bleating about banning this or that personal freedom that they have a personal objection to.

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..and that's why the stock market crash was such a great day?
I stated in my original post that the stock market crash was a day of hope and promise, even though it didn't have the most beneficial result. Someone else said 9/11---that "coming together", 7 years later, turned into a 2% approval rating for the guy who brought us together and message boards full of posts projecting doom and gloom. VJ Day was almost as bad for businessmen as the stock market crash was, since they were all war profiteers, and had to suddenly devise ways of sticking it to the civilians, an occasion they quickly rose to.

No matter how many silver linings we try to find in the roiling black clouds, two steps back is invariably our true manifest destiny. It's those one-step forward days that are the good days, but they always get undone.

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Old 01-19-2009, 12:35 PM
 
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How about when, in July 1969, Apollo 11 landed on the moon and Armstrong stepped out, accomplished within the ambitious timeframe JFK had talked about?
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Old 01-19-2009, 12:42 PM
 
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How about when, in July 1969, Apollo 11 landed on the moon and Armstrong stepped out, accomplished within the ambitious timeframe JFK had talked about?
I thought he said something about "Mankind", not America. There is a difference. Was Yuri Gagarin an equally great day for America? Daimler? Montgolfier? Watson and Crick? Or do we define "great day" for America as a day when Americans can gloat with smug pride?

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Old 01-19-2009, 12:57 PM
 
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I would suggest that December 15, 1791, when the American Bill of Rights was ratified, certainly stands out as one of the salient days in American history. The Bill of Rights stands with the Magna Carta (1215) and the English Bill of Rights (1689) as one of the progressive documents protecting the liberties of private citizens. Unfortunately, George Mason, the principal author and prime mover is little remembered today.
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Old 01-19-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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How about when, in July 1969, Apollo 11 landed on the moon and Armstrong stepped out, accomplished within the ambitious timeframe JFK had talked about?
I agree. An extraordinary accomplishment of science, technology, organization, and national will.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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But the Apollo 11 was only one event in a long series of numerous incremental advances in the exploration of space, no more remarkable, scientifically, than any of the others before and since.

Further, it would have been an even greater day if the same resolve had been applied to a compelling need here on the surface of this planet.

It is praiseworthy, though, that this was probably the last project, public or private sector, that was ever done on time and under budget.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:06 PM
 
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But the Apollo 11 was only one event in a long series of numerous incremental advances in the exploration of space, no more remarkable, scientifically than any of the others.
So? If you are being pedantic, you could say that about almost any achievement of the human imagination. It was a culmination of a very remarkable effort, and the fulfillment of an incredibly bold vision. A shame we haven't continued our explanation of space on the same scale.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:15 PM
 
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So? If you are being pedantic, you could say that about almost any achievement of the human imagination. It was a culmination of a very remarkable effort, and the fulfillment of an incredibly bold vision. A shame we haven't continued our explanation of space on the same scale.
I'm saying that I did not benefit one whit from men landing on the moon, nor did anyone else I knowr To me, a great day for America is one that makes everyday life for the American people better. It gave us nothing more than bragging rights, which we already had (and profusely used) a superabundance of.
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Old 01-19-2009, 02:23 PM
 
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I'm saying that I did not benefit one whit from men landing on the moon, nor did anyone else I knowr To me, a great day for America is one that makes everyday life for the American people better. It gave us nothing more than bragging rights, which we already had (and profusely used) a superabundance of.
A silly answer. As if all money would have made a difference to the already generous Great Society program, a program that wound up being a catastrophic failure that gutted our cities, crippled the economy, and actually expanded the underclass in this country. At least the space program yielded a trove of technological benefits that have improved medicine, communications, computing, agriculture and a thousand other areas of everyday life.
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