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Old 08-16-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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Hey Guys,

I plan on installing this system in a new build:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The system includes 2 passive inwall subwoofers. Is there a passive amplifier that can support both of these, or do i need to buy two separate ones?

Amazon recommends this amplifier but i see no point in having to buy two amps if i can just get one:
https://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Audi.../dp/B00VF5TY7E

Thanks,
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Old 08-16-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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Old 08-16-2017, 11:57 AM
 
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Subs are not channel dependent so typically splitters are used to distribute the signal to powered subs. A single small amp to power these units should be fine. You will need to wire the subs (8ohm) in parallel in order to present a 4ohm load to the amp.
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Old 08-16-2017, 12:02 PM
 
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point of information : static loads like when you say 4 ohms are really meaningless . once the music is playing a speaker's impedance curve is all over the map .

the range depending on design can be 1 ohm or 2 , right up to 130 ohms or so on the other end .

when they say 4 or 8 ohms they are referring to just measuring the windings resistance wise . that means little once the actual music is the source.

some popular speakers were wicked for an amplifier to handle . speakers like the old dahlqust dq10's or rogers ls3/5a had wild curves. looking at the static measurement you would never have known it .

bass can put terrific demands on an amplifier . putting subs in parallel is not a good idea . you half the impedance making things even worse as you multiply current demands .. the best way is two channels for a pair of subs or else use 1 sub .

if you really want to see the behavior of a speaker you must look up the impedance curve.

for those interested in the technical aspect there is some good info here .

https://wiki.analog.com/university/c...cs-lab-speaker

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Old 08-16-2017, 12:42 PM
 
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point of information : static loads like when you say 4 ohms are really meaningless . once the music is playing a speaker's impedance curve is all over the map .

the range depending on design can be 1 ohm or 2 , right up to 130 ohms or so on the other end .

when they say 4 or 8 ohms they are referring to just measuring the windings resistance wise . that means little once the actual music is the source.

some popular speakers were wicked for an amplifier to handle . speakers like the old dahlqust dq10's or rogers ls3/5a had wild curves. looking at the static measurement you would never have known it .

bass can put terrific demands on an amplifier . putting subs in parallel is not a good idea . you half the impedance making things even worse as you multiply current demands .. the best way is two channels for a pair of subs or else use 1 sub .

if you really want to see the behavior of a speaker you must look up the impedance curve.

for those interested in the technical aspect there is some good info here .

https://wiki.analog.com/university/c...cs-lab-speaker
Yea I'm pretty sure i'm just going to get two amps. I've realized it might be the best way to do it.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:10 PM
 
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There are a number of 2 channel subwoofer amps available. This is just one example:
https://www.onkyousa.com/Products/mo...urce=prodClass

You're not going to get much bass out of in-wall subs, especially with a system in that price range. A small stand-alone powered sub can be had for $2-300. One sub, properly located, can sound much better than 2 that underperform.

Decent home theater speaker systems typically cost well over $1000. If your budget is very limited, it might make sense to save up for something better that you'll enjoy more than a very low end system.
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Old 08-16-2017, 03:50 PM
 
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keep in mind that many low end amplifiers carry the same bogus ratings as speaker ohms are .

they rate the output in to 4 or 8 ohm test resisters and while the power seems fine in to static resistive loads all bets are off with a real speaker impedance curve .

a good amplifier will have ratings at 8 ,4 and 2 ohms and the wattage output should be higher at 2 ohms than 4 ohms ideally but many times it just gets close or a bit less to 4 ohm . a poorly designed amplifier will drop like a rock in power at 2 ohm .
a typical good design would look like this hafler amp


"With both channels driving 8-ohm loads at 1,000 Hz, the outputs clipped at 325 watts per channel, corresponding to an IHF clipping-headroom rating of 1.05 dB. The DH-500 does not have a 4-ohm power rating, but we measured 452 watts per channel into 4 ohms and 392 watts into 2 ohms at the clipping point. "


a good amplifier will not just say 200watt . there is a whole lot more to that spec..

it needs to say rms power at x-distortion and tell you what the power is at 2,4 and 8 ohms in order to mean anything . they should also specify dynamic headroom too

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Old 08-17-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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What is your goal? Generally speaking a built-in multi-channel home theater system from a no-name company that costs less than what one quality speaker from a well regarded firm offers is NOT going to deliver much satisfaction. You'll have holes in your walls and garbage sticking in them...

Here are some quick suggestions for quality in-wall subwoofers: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_in_-...nid=2528832011

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-CS...wall+subwoofer

You'd be wise to budget about $125- $200 a piece for the other 7 channels of speakers:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...oop_bw_c_x_6_w

https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Te...nology+In-Wall


Perhaps it makes sense to consider a more affordable and higher quality non-in-wall system -- many folks would suggest that the impact of a high quality subwoofer together with a nice soundbar is the best solution for those with a modest budget -- https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Te...ZY42DV84YBMEQT

I really can't think of why anyone contemplating a new build would go with any product like this -- https://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Audi...ews-filter-bar
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Old 08-17-2017, 10:13 AM
 
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What is your goal? Generally speaking a built-in multi-channel home theater system from a no-name company that costs less than what one quality speaker from a well regarded firm offers is NOT going to deliver much satisfaction. You'll have holes in your walls and garbage sticking in them...

Here are some quick suggestions for quality in-wall subwoofers: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_in_-...nid=2528832011

https://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-CS...wall+subwoofer

You'd be wise to budget about $125- $200 a piece for the other 7 channels of speakers:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...oop_bw_c_x_6_w

https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Te...nology+In-Wall


Perhaps it makes sense to consider a more affordable and higher quality non-in-wall system -- many folks would suggest that the impact of a high quality subwoofer together with a nice soundbar is the best solution for those with a modest budget -- https://www.amazon.com/Definitive-Te...ZY42DV84YBMEQT

I really can't think of why anyone contemplating a new build would go with any product like this -- https://www.amazon.com/Acoustic-Audi...ews-filter-bar

I'm not trying to open up a movie theater in my living room... Just something that sounds nice, is economical, and looks good. $700 for a single sub woofer is ridiculous unless you have no budget and love throwing away money.

My main goal is to have a clean look. No cables or speaker boxes hanging out.
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Old 08-17-2017, 11:07 AM
 
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Respectfully there are folks that routinely spend far more on subwoofers --

https://www.upscaleaudio.com/product...BoC8JUQAvD_BwE

JL Audio Fathom 10" Black Gloss Powered Subwoofer - 96140[ADL]%20[PLA]%20[CHI]%20[Desktop]%20Generic%20-%20(High)&pt_adgroup=[ADL]%20[PLA]%20[CHI]%20[Desktop]%20Generic%20-%20(High)&pt_keyword=

The amount you have budgeted for new build is truly better spent on higher quality and more reputable gear. It is worth considering -- Save On Brand Name In-Wall Speakers - Free Shipping | Abt
https://www1.crutchfield.com/g_12600...-Speakers.html
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/speaker...at210900050000
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