Opposing sides of Trayvon Martin case plan protests in River Oaks (Howe: moving to, suburbs)

[txdemo]

Originally Posted by bayoubengal1982

GZ was doing what he was suppose to. he was a neighborborhhod watch. There had been several burglaries in the area recently. If you see someone with a hood on walking between peoples houses, can you honestly say that doesnt look suspicious?

GZ didnt run up to TM and put a gun to his head. TM shoulve taken his punk ass home, but instead he came back to confront.

White folks unite!

[EasilyAmused]

Originally Posted by Trae713

If blacks should be ashamed of martin, then whites should be ashamed of vigilante cop Zimmerman. Tm wasn't out murdering people.

You do realize that "white" people don't connect with GZ. The man looks clearly hispanic, and probably encountered his own racial issues in his life.

Why isn't QX marching the hispanic areas??? Oh yeah, he hates rich anglos, and marching RO provides more media impact..frightening individuals and accusing communities,that have nothing to do with this case,of racism.

I'm more ashamed of the media making this a circus. Of airbrushing a picture of 12 year old TM to represent him they way he looked that night..pre-puberty. I'm massively ashamed of a President claiming that TM looked the way a son of his would look..thus stirring up a frenzy before the case even hit court.

My opinion on what happened that night? Two people were acting like punks and asshats, regaurdless of race. Other than that, I wasn't there, but the jury spoke and it should be respected.

OK, Im out. threads like this do more harm than good.

[houstan-dan]

Originally Posted by Trae713

If blacks should be ashamed of martin, then whites should be ashamed of vigilante cop Zimmerman. Tm wasn't out murdering people.

For all we know, Tm attacked Zimmerman first. For all we know, Tm could have killed Zimmerman. Did you see Zimmermans face? It was messed up. You land a punch just right, shove someones face in the ground just right, they are dead. Zimmerman could easily have been near that point.

Fact of the matter is, we can't prove who is on top. So this ENTIRE cases is pretty much moot. Our justice system is innocent until PROVEN guilty, without reasonable doubt. Whether Zimmerman instigated it or not doesn't matter, if we can't prove that he attacked TM first. Following someone is not a reason to attack them. Calling their mom every word in the book, is not a reason to attack them. Unless they trespass on your property or threaten you with a weapon, people virtually have zero legal reasons to attack someone first.

Arguing with people who know nothing about the justice system is pointless.

Originally Posted by cajun24

What an asinine post. People should be ashamed of that murdering GEORGE ZIMMERMAN and not the innocent Trayvon Martin who was minding his own damn business walking home from the store! And who the hell are you to tell people what they should be ashamed of?

See above post. It can't be proven. Take some law classes or do some research before you go spouting off who did what on "hypothetical" situations that obviously only TM and Zimmerman know.




This is just like Casey Anthony. The media paints a certain picture, just like how they posted pictures of Trayvon as a child. They get the people to believe something, when in the end, nothing can be PROVEN, but people who know nothing about the justice system seem outraged as if we should start convicting people based on speculation. What a joke.

[Trae713]

Originally Posted by houstan-dan

For all we know, Tm attacked Zimmerman first. For all we know, Tm could have killed Zimmerman. Did you see Zimmermans face? It was messed up. You land a punch just right, shove someones face in the ground just right, they are dead. Zimmerman could easily have been near that point.

Fact of the matter is, we can't prove who is on top. So this ENTIRE cases is pretty much moot. Our justice system is innocent until PROVEN guilty, without reasonable doubt. Whether Zimmerman instigated it or not doesn't matter, if we can't prove that he attacked TM first. Following someone is not a reason to attack them. Calling their mom every word in the book, is not a reason to attack them. Unless they trespass on your property or threaten you with a weapon, people virtually have zero legal reasons to attack someone first.

Arguing with people who know nothing about the justice system is pointless.



See above post. It can't be proven. Take some law classes or do some research before you go spouting off who did what on "hypothetical" situations that obviously only TM and Zimmerman know.




This is just like Casey Anthony. The media paints a certain picture, just like how they posted pictures of Trayvon as a child. They get the people to believe something, when in the end, nothing can be PROVEN, but people who know nothing about the justice system seem outraged as if we should start convicting people based on speculation. What a joke.

Exactly. No one knows exactly what happened. Tm could have punched gz a couple times making gz's head hit the concrete. That instead of gz head being picked up and slammed because he would have looked worse with the way he described it, imo. His face didn't really look messed up besides the nose. His nose got messed with with a good blow, but that was it. We don't know if gz had his gun drawn (he can leave that part out when questioned), we don't even know if tm even saw the gun. We only have one side of the story. Legally, Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Morally, he did. You don't follow someone by car and foot in the dark and not expect something to happen. That is just naive thinking.

I agree arguing with people who don't know the justice system is pointless.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by bayoubengal1982

GZ was doing what he was suppose to. he was a neighborborhhod watch. There had been several burglaries in the area recently. If you see someone with a hood on walking between peoples houses, can you honestly say that doesnt look suspicious?

GZ didnt run up to TM and put a gun to his head. TM shoulve taken his punk ass home, but instead he came back to confront.

Indeed, Florida should have its star removed from the U.S. flag and have its status designated all the way back to a territory or colony. Like the death penalty in the NCAA. In the meantime, the Federal government should appoint a Tsar to dictate over the court system teaching and showing Floridians how to make the right verdict. That case shouldn't have even gone to trial. They should have taken Zimmerman straight to the death chamber. You know, people who know how to grow corn seem to lack the ability to govern themselves.

[GTRdad]

Originally Posted by Trae713

No its quite obvious what you are trying to say, but it still has nothing to do with crack infiltrating American hoods. Looks like you need some education as well. And please don't come towards me with some closed minded talk. I've seen your posts and your ass closed minded as it gets.

Let's see how far you get then with that black history and black struggle mindset. Other people who move to the US start fresh and become successful. Most if not all of them do no research how they got to the bottom or figure out who to blame

[PedroMartinez]

Originally Posted by theSUBlime

Ask yourself too though, if someone was following you at night in the dark, would you have not felt threatened? Exactly. They were both wrong, IMO. You can get into who was wrong first, of course, but Florida's self-defense laws throw a blind eye to that.

I would have felt uneasy, but not that there was an imminent threat.

Zimmerman was not in the wrong for patrolling his neighborhood, calling the cops and trying to keep an eye on Martin while the police arrived.

If Zimmerman actually threatened Martin by pulling his gun, striking him or telling him that he was going to harm him, Zimmerman should be in jail.

Since none of the evidence indicates this and since the evidence does show that Martin physically assaulted Zimmerman, Zimmerman shouldn't be in jail, nor should it have gone to trial.

If Martin had a bloody lip or a bruised cheek or anything that indicated Zimmerman had struck him, this would have had a different outcome.

There was no evidence that Zimmerman did anything illegal. So he was not found guilty.

IMHO, Zimmerman didn't do anything wrong by following Martin under those circumstances. I felt that he was trying to make his community better.

[GTRdad]

Originally Posted by PedroMartinez

I felt that he was trying to make his community better.

This concept is very weird for many people. some actually WANT to look *to be struggling* in life or top-of-the-underworld-food-chain

[txdemo]

Here's what I think happened. Zimmerman racially profiles Martin. Follows him. Martin knows he's being followed by someone. Martin (in fear for his life) tries to get the jump on Zimmerman. They struggle. Martin gets the upper hand. Zimmerman (in fear for his life) kills Martin. Zimmerman didn't plan or want to kill Martin but all of his actions led to Martin's death. Zimmerman didn't kill Martin because he was an African-American but he did racially profile and follow him because he was African-American in a hoodie in a white neighborhood. Such a tragedy.

[trele6]

Originally Posted by txdemo

Here's what I think happened. Zimmerman racially profiles Martin. Follows him. Martin knows he's being followed by someone. Martin (in fear for his life) tries to get the jump on Zimmerman. They struggle. Martin gets the upper hand. Zimmerman (in fear for his life) kills Martin. Zimmerman didn't plan or want to kill Martin but all of his actions led to Martin's death. Zimmerman didn't kill Martin because he was an African-American but he did racially profile and follow him because he was African-American in a hoodie in a white neighborhood. Such a tragedy.

What you think or I think doesnt matter. All we can go on are the facts, and all of those point to the right verdict and outcome of the trial.