Are there still more Cowboys fans than Texans fans in Houston? (Dallas: area, map)

[marcopolo2000]

"Yankees" is not the same as "Texans" so that argument is moot. I can understand if the franchise was called the "New Yorkers"...and good luck finding a large following outside of the State of NY with that.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

OK, here's the breakdown. Some posters were claiming that the Texans limited themselves to a instate fan base when they chose that nickname. I pointed out that The Yankee's is a regional moniker as well, yet as you so astutely observed they have a fan following that transcends any regional boundaries. Point being that The Texans, if they ever establish a winning tradition, could also transcend regional boundaries as well and have a more national fan base, or at least a fan base that is not limited by a state line. Get it now ?

Here's the part where you are looking at this wrong. Baseball at the time was the American sport. It was the sport that the world knew we played and it was unique to us. A Yankee wasn't just simply a Northeasterner. A Yankee was any American referred to by the British. To the British, YOU are a Yankee as well. So in essence, the Yankees represent the entire nation. The Texans, even if they establish winning ways, will never be as popular as a brand as the Yankees or Cowboys for that matter.

Somebody breaks it down best here:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by marcopolo2000

"Yankees" is not the same as "Texans" so that argument is moot. I can understand if the franchise was called the "New Yorkers"...and good luck finding a large following outside of the State of NY with that.

Exactly. I don't know of any other team save the NHL Canadians that uses the demonym of the state as a nickname. Yankees is not the same as New Yorker just as Rebel is not the same as Texans.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by Spade

Here's the part where you are looking at this wrong. Baseball at the time was the American sport. It was the sport that the world knew we played and it was unique to us. A Yankee wasn't just simply a Northeasterner. A Yankee was any American referred to by the British. To the British, YOU are a Yankee as well. So in essence, the Yankees represent the entire nation. The Texans, even if they establish winning ways, will never be as popular as a brand as the Yankees or Cowboys for that matter.

Somebody breaks it down best here:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.

I made a very general comparison, to make a very simple point, which you misconstrued either because you were not keeping up with the thread and replied to one post off hand, and didn't understand the foundation of my post, or your just being nit picking IDK! The vast majority of readers of the post in question got the point without any difficulty.

I don't care if they call me Yankee in China. I know the etymology of the term Yankee, its actually derived from an ethnic slur that was originally used by English settlers in Connecticut or by Dutch settlers in New York or New Netherland as it was then called to describe each other. No one outside the Northeast would consider themselves in Yankee territory when it comes to baseball patronage and it's obvious that the Yankees use the term in the American sense of describing somebody from New York. But even if we use your own "breakdown" it would still make the same point, just substitute The United States as the region the term Yankees covers, and they still transcend national borders by having a winning tradition. So either way the point is made and is valid. If the Texans establish a winning tradition they can transcend the supposed limits of a regional moniker as well.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by marcopolo2000

"Yankees" is not the same as "Texans" so that argument is moot. I can understand if the franchise was called the "New Yorkers"...and good luck finding a large following outside of the State of NY with that.

If the New Yorkers had won 28 World Series Championships they would have a lot of fans outside of New York.....There may be some limits to the name and perhaps they wouldn't have been as popular as the Yankees, but the state line would not be that limit.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

I made a very general comparison, to make a very simple point, which you misconstrued either because you were not keeping up with the thread and replied to one post off hand, and didn't understand the foundation of my post, or your just being nit picking IDK! The vast majority of readers of the post in question got the point without any difficulty.

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I got the gist of your comparison and your point. It just doesn't fit. That's what you're finding difficult to understand. Yankee is not the same as Texan. Texan is a demonym for a people within state borders. A Yankee can be anything depending on who you are talking to.

[Spade]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

If the New Yorkers had won 28 World Series Championships they would have a lot of fans outside of New York.....There may be some limits to the name and perhaps they wouldn't have been as popular as the Yankees, but the state line would not be that limit.

Laughable. You don't have to win championships only for a team to be nationally popular. The Cubs and their two trophies easily prove that and they haven't won a WS since 1908. They are one of the top 5 teams in the nation as far as following. Name another team that is popular that uses a demonym as a nickname?

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by Spade

I got the gist of your comparison and your point. It just doesn't fit. That's what you're finding difficult to understand. Yankee is not the same as Texan. Texan is a demonym for a people within state borders. A Yankee can be anything depending on who you are talking to.

Originally Posted by Spade

Laughable. You don't have to win championships only for a team to be nationally popular. The Cubs and their two trophies easily prove that and they haven't won a WS since 1908. They are one of the top 5 teams in the nation as far as following. Name another team that is popular that uses a demonym as a nickname?

Are you seriously suggesting that winning championships has no impact on a teams popularity ? Are you seriously suggesting that nobody outside of Texas would ever be fans of the Texans because of their name ? Yes I guess the lovable losers called the Cubs have made their lack of success central to their teams spirit but how many lovable losers can pro sports support,? that ecosystem is very limited, and non existent in the NFL.

Your nit picking is getting old, the basic point I was making is that winning will expand a teams fan base beyond its own media market.Yes their are other things you can do to increase popularity to some degree but nothing is going to exponentially increase your fan base like winning. How can anybody argue with that? If you are saying a "demonymic" name will somehow limit it's fan base to state lines or perhaps even city limits regardless of how many championships it wins is patently absurd, ridicules, ludicrous ect.. !

[RonnieinDallas]

Originally Posted by Jack Lance

Are you seriously suggesting that winning championships has no impact on a teams popularity ? Are you seriously suggesting that nobody outside of Texas would ever be fans of the Texans because of their name ? Yes I guess the lovable losers called the Cubs have made their lack of success central to their teams spirit but how many lovable losers can pro sports support,? that ecosystem is very limited, and non existent in the NFL.

I disagree. The Saints are a good NFL example. They have a bad record historically, but I know more Saints fans than Texans fans.

[Jack Lance]

Originally Posted by RonnieinDallas

I disagree. The Saints are a good NFL example. They have a bad record historically, but I know more Saints fans than Texans fans.

I can see your point, but remember the Saints did win a Superbowl and like I posted earlier one Superbowl championship can go a long way to expanding a teams fan base. Before they won that Superbowl I doubt you would have found to many Saints fans outside of Louisiana. Remember the "Aints"? Plus all the drama around the Katrina disaster did generate a lot of sympathy for New Orleans in general but that I believe is the exception that proves the rule..