Does this even exist? (Help finding a place to live) (2015, buy)

[Southlander]

You could also try looking around northeast Morgan County. Just don't buy ON the river as it tends to flood.

[drummonn]

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[HB2HSV]

Originally Posted by Southlander

You could also try looking around northeast Morgan County. Just don't buy ON the river as it tends to flood.

Priceville!

I think I posted a thread on this

[writerwife]

Man... if I still had my rural property I'd be running a sawmill right about now. Where along the manufacturing line is the price jump since the cost of paper hasn't seemed to have inflated?

[dijkstra]

Originally Posted by writerwife

Man... if I still had my rural property I'd be running a sawmill right about now. Where along the manufacturing line is the price jump since the cost of paper hasn't seemed to have inflated?

So many homes have been being built, it is pretty much the entire supply chain for lumber and building materials. They can't cut the trees and get them to the sawmill fast enough, the sawmills did not have the capacity for the volume and the distributors do not have the capacity to get the materials to retailers. Part of this is because they closed and sold facilities 10 years ago during the housing collapse and are just now having to build the capacity back up. Another problem is the labor shortages caused by shutdowns and liberal unemployment policies and handouts over the past couple of years during all this Covid craziness. Also, some materials come from overseas and due to some of the same reasons, the ports are a complete disorganized, understaffed mess right now.

[harry chickpea]

Originally Posted by dijkstra

So many homes have been being built, it is pretty much the entire supply chain for lumber and building materials. They can't cut the trees and get them to the sawmill fast enough, the sawmills did not have the capacity for the volume and the distributors do not have the capacity to get the materials to retailers. Part of this is because they closed and sold facilities 10 years ago during the housing collapse and are just now having to build the capacity back up. Another problem is the labor shortages caused by shutdowns and liberal unemployment policies and handouts over the past couple of years during all this Covid craziness. Also, some materials come from overseas and due to some of the same reasons, the ports are a complete disorganized, understaffed mess right now.

So much of this was minor issue. Much of the rest of your "reasoning" is pure far-right attempt to rewrite history to further anti-liberal myths, blaming liberals for a congressional relief bill passed by them during a Republican controlled Congress and under a far-right president. The "perfect storm" was related to an insect invasion having killed trees in the Pacific Northwest and Canada, dead trees left standing "aging out" of the window when they could still be cut to serve area sawmills, then the unanticipated demand from homeowners stuck at home by the virus protocols trying to use that time to start long-deferred building projects. Very little lumber comes from overseas. Most is shipped on trains or locally on truck.

Local mills had other issues as mill owners and workers were aging out, profitability had been down, and equipment not in good repair. In effect, end game capitalism had concentrated production in few mega-companies as economics dictate, and there was little market resilience from dispersed redundancy. We see that effect in other areas of the economy as well, and it is a strategic disaster as much as our reliance on cheap OPEC oil in the 1970s and the subsequent rationing and price hikes.

[GreggT]

Originally Posted by harry chickpea

So much of this was minor issue. Much of the rest of your "reasoning" is pure far-right attempt to rewrite history to further anti-liberal myths, blaming liberals for a congressional relief bill passed by them during a Republican controlled Congress and under a far-right president. The "perfect storm" was related to an insect invasion having killed trees in the Pacific Northwest and Canada, dead trees left standing "aging out" of the window when they could still be cut to serve area sawmills, then the unanticipated demand from homeowners stuck at home by the virus protocols trying to use that time to start long-deferred building projects. Very little lumber comes from overseas. Most is shipped on trains or locally on truck.

Local mills had other issues as mill owners and workers were aging out, profitability had been down, and equipment not in good repair. In effect, end game capitalism had concentrated production in few mega-companies as economics dictate, and there was little market resilience from dispersed redundancy. We see that effect in other areas of the economy as well, and it is a strategic disaster as much as our reliance on cheap OPEC oil in the 1970s and the subsequent rationing and price hikes.

Belongs in the Political Forum....Moderator??

[dijkstra]

Originally Posted by harry chickpea

So much of this was minor issue. Much of the rest of your "reasoning" is pure far-right attempt to rewrite history to further anti-liberal myths, blaming liberals for a congressional relief bill passed by them during a Republican controlled Congress and under a far-right president. The "perfect storm" was related to an insect invasion having killed trees in the Pacific Northwest and Canada, dead trees left standing "aging out" of the window when they could still be cut to serve area sawmills, then the unanticipated demand from homeowners stuck at home by the virus protocols trying to use that time to start long-deferred building projects. Very little lumber comes from overseas. Most is shipped on trains or locally on truck.

Local mills had other issues as mill owners and workers were aging out, profitability had been down, and equipment not in good repair. In effect, end game capitalism had concentrated production in few mega-companies as economics dictate, and there was little market resilience from dispersed redundancy. We see that effect in other areas of the economy as well, and it is a strategic disaster as much as our reliance on cheap OPEC oil in the 1970s and the subsequent rationing and price hikes.

That is complete crap. lol

Go tell that to a builder or a lumber salesman that has been trying to get materials for the last year. The capacity is not there. The drivers for trucks are not there. There isn't warehouse space to store it when they do make it. Lumber has literally sat in containers and on flat beds for months waiting to be picked up and hauled to distributors. Plywood, OSB, Door slabs, and MDF moulding comes from overseas as well as attic stairs. They have all been sitting on container ships outside of ports for months......MONTHS....because the ports have had so many people out on unemployment and they can't hire enough workers.

Here is a link about current US lumber imports. We import more than you think and when you interrupt say a 15% share of the supply when the supply chain is already over-stressed it is a major problem :

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...301210117.html

By the way, I re-read my post to see if I could figure out why you are coming at me sideways with all this political crap when I said nothing about politics. All I can figure is you saw the word "liberal" and went bizerk. I did not use "liberal" in a political sense; I used "liberal" as in they have been very liberal in allowing people to qualify for unemployment if they chose not to work. Those are two completely different things. Hell every state whether they are Red or Blue allowed people to walk away from jobs and draw unemployment for a while.

[RocketDawg]

Originally Posted by writerwife

Man... if I still had my rural property I'd be running a sawmill right about now. Where along the manufacturing line is the price jump since the cost of paper hasn't seemed to have inflated?

I know absolutely nothing about timber farming, but according to members of my sports board, who do know a lot about the subject, high prices at Home Depot don't necessarily translate into the timber owners getting high prices for their product.

[writerwife]

Well... sorry to have started ww3. I knew when the housing situation burst on the scene the costs when up but just wasn't quite sure where since it doesn't seem to be an issue lower down the tree production line, so to speak.



To GreggT..... Mr. Chickpea is a moderator I believe.