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Old 07-05-2010, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Cape Cod
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Isn't there something the American people can do when "our" government refuses to uphold the laws? Specifically, the Federal government is choosing to not enforce the law against illegal immigration, so what's the purpose of that law or any law, if they choose to not enforce it? Can't they (the government) be held responsible for not doing what the President swore to do when he was elected? Just wondering????
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Old 07-05-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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We are by asking our State officials to do the job the Federal Govt won't do.
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Old 07-05-2010, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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We are by asking our State officials to do the job the Federal Govt won't do.
Good idea, but then, the feds pop their corks, and threaten mayhem to those who DARE "take the law into their own hands". I wonder what the French would do ? Riot ? Guillotine ? It happened before. I like to think we, as Americans, could strike for a few days, BUT we are all so addicted to stuff. It would be a hoot to make the government nervous without violence of any kind. People have way more influence than we are currently using.
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Old 07-05-2010, 04:22 PM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Isn't there something the American people can do when "our" government refuses to uphold the laws? Specifically, the Federal government is choosing to not enforce the law against illegal immigration, so what's the purpose of that law or any law, if they choose to not enforce it? Can't they (the government) be held responsible for not doing what the President swore to do when he was elected? Just wondering????
in order to have a plan of action, we must know which immigration laws the Federal Government is refusing to uphold.

are we talking about every US immigration law written? or are there specfic laws being Ignored?

Is there any way to show that these laws are being ignored, to effect change we have to have proof this is going on. Not anecdotal eveidence but hard fact proof.

Once we have this Hard fact proof, we can ask our Congressmen and Senators to investigate and have Hearings of the various Federal Department Heads as answer to the proof that their Department are not Following US Immigration laws.

Congress is a separate but equal branch of government and can ask tough questions of Department not Following or Ignoring US Federal Immigration law. The Congress can also Indict and convict for contempt of Congress.

From these Hearings we can force The Executive branch to change leadership so that the new Department Heads follow US Law.
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Old 07-05-2010, 04:35 PM
 
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in order to have a plan of action, we must know which immigration laws the Federal Government is refusing to uphold.

are we talking about every US immigration law written? or are there specfic laws being Ignored?

Is there any way to show that these laws are being ignored, to effect change we have to have proof this is going on. Not anecdotal eveidence but hard fact proof.

Once we have this Hard fact proof, we can ask our Congressmen and Senators to investigate and have Hearings of the various Federal Department Heads as answer to the proof that their Department are not Following US Immigration laws.

Congress is a separate but equal branch of government and can ask tough questions of Department not Following or Ignoring US Federal Immigration law. The Congress can also Indict and convict for contempt of Congress.

From these Hearings we can force The Executive branch to change leadership so that the new Department Heads follow US Law.
I think the fact that we have 12-20 million or more illegals in our country is proof enough that the feds haven't secured our borders. I would think that border security is a part of our immigration policies.
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Old 07-05-2010, 05:22 PM
 
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in order to have a plan of action, we must know which immigration laws the Federal Government is refusing to uphold.

are we talking about every US immigration law written? or are there specfic laws being Ignored?

Is there any way to show that these laws are being ignored, to effect change we have to have proof this is going on. Not anecdotal eveidence but hard fact proof.

Once we have this Hard fact proof, we can ask our Congressmen and Senators to investigate and have Hearings of the various Federal Department Heads as answer to the proof that their Department are not Following US Immigration laws.

Congress is a separate but equal branch of government and can ask tough questions of Department not Following or Ignoring US Federal Immigration law. The Congress can also Indict and convict for contempt of Congress.

From these Hearings we can force The Executive branch to change leadership so that the new Department Heads follow US Law.
8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties

Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of - (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c) Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.


Here is the whole subchapter in the US Code.

US Code - Subchapter II: Immigration

The other thing we can do is vote out those not following through their responsibilities - but then we would have to know the law well enough to understand that they are not following through - and then we would have to be moral enough not to take their offers of "free" money or some other special benefit they have to offer.
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Old 07-05-2010, 06:41 PM
 
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8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties

Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of - (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.

(c) Marriage fraud

Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than $250,000, or both.

(d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud

Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance with title 18, or both.

Here is the whole subchapter in the US Code.

US Code - Subchapter II: Immigration

The other thing we can do is vote out those not following through their responsibilities - but then we would have to know the law well enough to understand that they are not following through - and then we would have to be moral enough not to take their offers of "free" money or some other special benefit they have to offer.
US code 1325 is immigration law that describes penelties for improper entry into the US by an alien.

so are you saying that the US Border Patrol agents are letting the aliens enter the US illegaly? Is it the Agents at fault? or the whole Border Patrol agency?
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Old 07-05-2010, 07:37 PM
 
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US code 1325 is immigration law that describes penelties for improper entry into the US by an alien.

so are you saying that the US Border Patrol agents are letting the aliens enter the US illegaly? Is it the Agents at fault? or the whole Border Patrol agency?
I am sure there is some corruption in the Border Patrol but they are individual agents, not the whole Border Patrol Agency.
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Old 07-05-2010, 07:45 PM
 
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Apparently an Oath means nothing to most that take it nowadays.
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Old 07-05-2010, 07:51 PM
 
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That is the problem i a nut shell. Congress passes laws and then oftewn doen't even fund them. I other insatcnes they pass a law that mandates staes to pay for them.But the conseqaeances is that if tehy fail to do what the public wants then the sate officals will respoend because they want to get reelcted . that si waht we are seeing now. That usually leads tot eh sates taking rights back from the federal government.
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