Sorry Unemployed Americans, Obama Giving Amnesty & Work Permits To ILLEGAL Immigrants (accuse, Republicans)
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I don't think wanting to keep your money and dispose of it as you see fit is inherently racist.
When you start getting into "well also I don't want those people living near me so let's build a wall or use guns or something like that and keep them fenced in over there" well, people might start wondering.
Do you think of US citizens that get welfare are "economic parasites"?
Would you support legal immigration for anyone who paid for and passed a background/health check if they agreed to not use welfare?
No, but you DO believe Americans should be forced to pay taxes in order to support an "oppressed" (which they are not) group of people. Spending my money on foreign nationals is not how I "see fit" for the government to spend that money. But when other people said the same thing in other threads, you accused them of racism.
Ok let's get one thing straight. I don't like when people throw around the term "racism" loosely or use it as an intimidation tactic. This has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. I am ethnic Armenian myself. My father gets mistaken for a Middle Easterner at times, so I know something about racism. Even though he speaks fluent English, does not believe in Islam, or has ever stepped foot in a single Arab country. I've read your posts. You are just a paranoid bully abusing the term. It is insulting to all the people who REALLY ARE victims. Speaking of which, Armenians have endured genocide and ruthless Soviet dictators. Forgive me for carrying over our conversation from another thread, but what ungodly horrible things are illegals in the U.S. having to endure right now? Being told they should pay for their own education in their own country? *gasp*
Racism does not equal having a border. If that were true every country that I know of could be accused of bigotry according to you. Claiming this is all about "human rights" could not be further from the truth. Clearly, not very many cultures seem to share your twisted world view.
My Russian-Armenian parents do not support your ridiculous policies. I have many Asian, black, and hispanic friends who do not either. One of them in particular is an immigration lawyer. Are all of them against policies, such as the Dream Act, because they're racists and bigots too? Obviously not. So you should not have to "wonder" about anything. Just assume the best in people until they explicitly prove you wrong. Not everyone is as obsessed with race as you seem to think. You cannot read minds to tell me otherwise. Get off your high horse and shut the hell up.
Furthermore, I find it ironic you would accuse others of bigotry when you clearly have some sort of personal bias towards illegals. In another thread, when someone suggested you were related to an illegal or had friends that were or you were one yourself, I don't remember you refuting the claim (correct me if I'm wrong here). You were blatantly advocating that one group benefit at the expense of another. Other members of this forum have already explained how this is so to you. Talk about entitlement and preferential treatment! And again, your accusations of racism don't even make sense, because the U.S. is a multi-racial country and there are plenty of hispanics who are LEGAL citizens and do not want illegals from all over the world coming here. The ones that do usually have a personal agenda or bias or do not understand the arguments correctly. How do I know this? Because many have told me so!
And we already covered U.S. citizens getting welfare in the other threads. Your other question has been addressed there as well. The answer plain and simple: NO! Others have already explained it better than I possibly could. I'm not going to waste my time going over all the reasons again if you can't read.
Lastly, why are YOU replying to my post? I was responding to something MountainBiking wrote. I've already heard what you have to say. I thought I told you I was done arguing with you. I have no desire to start again. Don't you ever leave the computer? You have absolutely no life, do you?
Actually, don't answer that. I really don't care. But I think you are a deeply disturbed individual and cannot see past your own nose. I don't like to converse with crazy people. I suspect you may have self-esteem issues and it's effecting your cognitive abilities. It's really starting to creep me out. I hate to stoop to your level and make personal remarks, but based on what you've said to other forum members I think it's well justified.
I suggest that you get therapy. Then move out of this country and take all of your illegal buddies there as well. Maybe just for fun, move to a tiny island nation somewhere and try preaching your hippie rhetoric there.
"What do you mean we don't have the infrastructure to support unlimited immigration? Just start stacking people on top of one another! Problem solved!"
I really don't have anything else to say to you. Please kindly leave me alone now.
LOL when the link is some ultra-right wing nutcase that says "Barry" in the fist paragraph, you can pretty much write it off as some kind of low intelligence idiot.
Otherwise this issue is from weeks ago and was easily debunked. Here's a few facts the the right wingers seem to have issues understanding:
Obama is one of the most anti-illegals presidents in the history of the nation.
Obama arrested and deported most illegals last year than any other president in US history.
Obama has been cracking down harder on business that hire illegals than anyone.
As for the link that person is referring to, Obama has been arresting at such high levels they can't deport them fast enough. In the mean time to address the issue, they are putting the criminals and other top scumbags at the top of the list to get deported first.
No, but you DO believe Americans should be forced to pay taxes in order to support an "oppressed" (which they are not) group of people.
Well Americans shouldn't be forced to pay taxes at all to the military or bailouts for banks, or for hand outs for companies.
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Spending my money on foreign nationals is not how I "see fit" for the government to spend that money. But when other people said the same thing in other threads, you accused them of racism.
Not wanting to spend money on X,Y, or Z isn't racist in and of itself it is the rational given behind such motives that belay a certain kind of racism or what I think is mostly a fear ( probably justified) of increased economic competition and with that uncertainty. And in some sense people are right. The CEO of Goldman Sachs can jet set to about any country he wants, pay off a few officials and settle down in his villa with his yacht, while the poor smhucks have to scrap and scrimp just to get by. So a certain fear of immigration could be somewhat expected from the working people as opposed to anyone who can just hop, skip, and jump to another country.
But if you pay attention you'll see that there are gross distortions in the reasons people give. People claim that illegal immigrants are only here to live off of welfare, get free education, eat your American pie take a dump in your lawn and then leave. Or that they are all blood thirsty criminals only seconds away from stealing America right from under their noses. There is a strange obsession with the English language that boarders on pure crazyness because it isn't backed up by aaannnyyttthinngg, and even after shown repeatedly stats, figures, anecdotes and on and on, its like the reset button gets hit and the same completely debunked and dog whistle things get played over again. This is racism.
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Ok let's get one thing straight. I don't like when people throw around the term "racism" loosely or use it as an intimidation tactic. This has nothing to do with racism or bigotry. I am ethnic Armenian myself. My father gets mistaken for a Middle Easterner at times, so I know something about racism. Even though he speaks fluent English, does not believe in Islam, or has ever stepped foot in a single Arab country. I've read your posts. You are just a paranoid bully abusing the term. It is insulting to all the people who REALLY ARE victims. Speaking of which, Armenians have endured genocide and ruthless Soviet dictators. Forgive me for carrying over our conversation from another thread, but what ungodly horrible things are illegals in the U.S. having to endure right now? Being told they should pay for their own education in their own country? *gasp*
Racism does not equal having a border. If that were true every country that I know of could be accused of bigotry according to you. Claiming this is all about "human rights" could not be further from the truth. Clearly, not very many cultures seem to share your twisted world view.
You are right that racism has no borders. An Armenian can be as racist as anyone else regardless of whatever has happened in the past. In my experience many other cultures are far more racist and xenophobic than America though America does get a bad reputation because racism and xenophobia can be discussed so openly as opposed to other places. I think on its face illegals, legal aliens and citizens should pay for their education. The state isn't a baby sitter. But there is also a sense of social justice, that as a society people should look out for those less fortunate.
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My Russian-Armenian parents do not support your ridiculous policies. I have many Asian, black, and hispanic friends who do not either. One of them in particular is an immigration lawyer. Are all of them against policies, such as the Dream Act, because they're racists and bigots too? Obviously not. So you should not have to "wonder" about anything. Just assume the best in people until they explicitly prove you wrong. Not everyone is as obsessed with race as you seem to think. You cannot read minds to tell me otherwise. Get off your high horse and shut the hell up.
Again, maybe its not you, but it has been plenty implicate that people here do not assume the best in people. Gross mis characterizations are pretty obvious when people sneer at an illegal alien for saving a child from a child molester and claim that perhaps the whole thing was orchestrated for the benefit of all illegal aliens. People are called sympathizers as if WW3 was going on ( which this I fully expect various posters to claim that "it is war" or "it's an invasion" or other marmongering phrases which show 1) their abject fear present and 2) the propensity toward violent imagery for people who have very little intention of any violence). People are usually given the benefit of the doubt but continuous wildly disproportionate and hysterical threads lead to other conclusions.
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Furthermore, I find it ironic you would accuse others of bigotry when you clearly have some sort of personal bias towards illegals. In another thread, when someone suggested you were related to an illegal or had friends that were or you were one yourself, I don't remember you refuting the claim (correct me if I'm wrong here). You were blatantly advocating that one group benefit at the expense of another.
This is the crux of the fallacy here. You think that "your" pie is fixed and other people are coming to take away your pie. In reality all you have are scraps and your trying to fend off even less fortunate people who only want scraps. The "pie" isn't fixed and there are others who have more money than you can think of and are sucking you dry, bleeding you from every pore far more than any illegal alien could ever dream of doing and they are perfectly legal citizens. So by all means fight over your welfare, its the only thing you have left to protect you. Don't worry though that will be gone sure enough, and it won't be a poor immigrant that takes it from you, but a guy in a suit.
As long as we continue having this two party system and voting for these imbeciles- Republican or Democrat- nothing is going to change. The pro illegal alien groups are getting stronger and stronger and are well represented. They organize protests and make their 'cause' heard. Where are the anti illegal alien groups at? Where are the protesters? Why aren't Americans outside the White House and letting our leaders know that American citizens are fed up with the illegals? Why are AMERICAN judges siding for the illegals? Why? Why? Why?
-Cheers.
There is an anit-illegal immmigration grass roots group in my area. What do you suppose has happened? The SPLC has labelled them a hate group. Of course everyone calls them racists. The police are staunchly against them as well as the courts. They have been assaulted multiple times. These assaults were not very bad but under Mass law merely touching or shoving someone is assault. Nobody has ever been found guilty for assaulting them. The defendants in those cases include a priest and a teacher. It's come to the point where people who agree with them and are against illegals won't be associated with them because of the harrassment they get from the community and the police. It's quite sad really.
I don't think wanting to keep your money and dispose of it as you see fit is inherently racist.
When you start getting into "well also I don't want those people living near me so let's build a wall or use guns or something like that and keep them fenced in over there" well, people might start wondering.
Do you think of US citizens that get welfare are "economic parasites"?
Would you support legal immigration for anyone who paid for and passed a background/health check if they agreed to not use welfare?
Why do you continually bring U.S. citizens into an illegal immigration debate? Why do you keep talking about this fantasy where immigrants may agree not to use tax payer funded services?
LOL when the link is some ultra-right wing nutcase that says "Barry" in the fist paragraph, you can pretty much write it off as some kind of low intelligence idiot.
Otherwise this issue is from weeks ago and was easily debunked. Here's a few facts the the right wingers seem to have issues understanding:
Obama is one of the most anti-illegals presidents in the history of the nation.
Obama arrested and deported most illegals last year than any other president in US history.
Obama has been cracking down harder on business that hire illegals than anyone.
As for the link that person is referring to, Obama has been arresting at such high levels they can't deport them fast enough. In the mean time to address the issue, they are putting the criminals and other top scumbags at the top of the list to get deported first.
Obama is arresting illegals? He's out there with a gun on hip and a badge on his chest? You libbies are so laughable. When it suits your agenda it's all about Barry doing something and he's right in the mix. When it's something you don't like you'll go to great lengths to distance him from responsibility. See Libya as an example.
The reason enforcement is up under the Obozo admin. is that Obozo is setting the stage to gain support for a mass amnesty. Gotta add to that perpetual underclass that will always vote D afterall. Who cares about the disastrous consequences for the country.....
If I am hiring someone for my business, and I have my buddy still in Cuba that I *know* will do a good job for me and that I can *trust* him not to be lazy and to *go above and beyond the call of duty* - and maybe accept a below market salary (of course, but not always the case), I am going to apply for an alien certification to have him come here to work for me. It is my private business. Why should I take a chance on people I don't even know? If my business fails, my employees lose their jobs, but I lose all of the equity that I put into it. You can argue that everyone loses, but I lose the most. Florida laws make it easy to prove that certain skill sets are hard to find here, so Alien Certification is a no-brainer for people like me.
If I don't have someone in mind for the job (always possible), I can choose to hire an unknown, or I can do the extra work myself. If the business is focused on Latin America, I would hire a fluent Spanish speaker. In both of these cases, Anglos have very few chances of getting hired for these types of jobs. That is just the way it is in Miami.
I agree. Although I'm still hoping some republican candidates will not be afraid to fight these economic parasites. I say we stop all this nonsense before it spreads any further. I think many people are afraid they'll be called racists if they protest in public. That's the common intimidation tactic I've seen used by the pro-illegals. But there is NOTHING racist about not wanting to support criminals from another country. Not even all hispanics support these crazy nutjobs. It's cheap and insulting to the truly oppressed groups! This is about the people of one NATION standing up for themselves against criminal law breakers from others. We must make this difference clear to everybody and organize some rallies already.
Good post. Yes, Americans need to stop being afraid of being accused of racism by these pro-illegal groups just to hide their own racism. Indeed we need to be as brazen and loud as they are in our quest to save our country and ridding ourselves of illegal aliens. I am hoping like you that we get elect a president this time around who isn't afraid to stand up for the rule of law and the American people.
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