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Yes, Packard fan, I have definitely seen and felt a shift from "SF libs" as you say, on the issue of illegal immigration. Most of my very liberal friends and colleagues, who formerly espoused rights of illegal immigrants, seem to have evolved on this very issue over recent years. In fact, illegal immigration is the only issue that they DON'T find common ground with liberals Democrats. For example, I had an Obama liberal friend say this to me during our conversation about Obama's reelection, " You know I'm the most tolerant and accepting person but I just can't support illegal immigrants coming to the state and start collecting benefits." I think it's absolutely wrong to assume liberals to be pro-illegal immigration. The political party which shoulders leadership on this issue would be looked upon favorably by large and diverse groups of voters. Now is the wrong time to placate extreme, pro-illegal immigrant rights organizations with false claims to moral superiority and nothing else.
Yes, Packard fan, I have definitely seen and felt a shift from "SF libs" as you say, on the issue of illegal immigration. Most of my very liberal friends and colleagues, who formerly espoused rights of illegal immigrants, seem to have evolved on this very issue over recent years. In fact, illegal immigration is the only issue that they DON'T find common ground with liberals Democrats. For example, I had an Obama liberal friend say this to me during our conversation about Obama's reelection, " You know I'm the most tolerant and accepting person but I just can't support illegal immigrants coming to the state and start collecting benefits." I think it's absolutely wrong to assume liberals to be pro-illegal immigration. The political party which shoulders leadership on this issue would be looked upon favorably by large and diverse groups of voters. Now is the wrong time to placate extreme, pro-illegal immigrant rights organizations with false claims to moral superiority and nothing else.
Genia: many people who DID support rights for illegal aliens back in the day don't in 2012 so you've got lots of "liberal" company. I def NOT a hardcore "conservative" but illegal aliens, nasty.
I have seen est. of 150 to 200 million dollars a yr spent on illegals.....INSANE!!!
Also school systems need to stop indoctrinating our children that "borders are the problem".....borders are what separates us from 3rd world sh*t hole Mexico.
I have seen est. of 150 to 200 million dollars a yr spent on illegals.....INSANE!!!
Also school systems need to stop indoctrinating our children that "borders are the problem".....borders are what separates us from 3rd world sh*t hole Mexico.
I think you mean billion, not million. I've seen estimates as high as 400 billion.
I have seen est. of 150 to 200 million dollars a yr spent on illegals.....INSANE!!!
Also school systems need to stop indoctrinating our children that "borders are the problem".....borders are what separates us from 3rd world sh*t hole Mexico.
Agreed. That country SOUTH of our border IS the problem, not the US. I sure as hell DON'T go to Mexico and demand my "rights". Sheesh!
Yeah, I've seen estimates as high as $1.6 trillion...
But that doesn't make them true...
So what is the truth? How much do Americans spend on foreign nationals who have freely broken our laws? How much should we be required to spend on criminals? On the Mexican underclass that already has access to medical care in Mexico? How much will we be required to spend with the idiotic "hand citizenship to all Latinos" crazy blackmail racist hispanic lobbyists are demanding in the teeth of a recession?
Tell us. Since most LEGAL immigrants are technically required to be self supporting and not allowed to collect welfare? By what possible justification does any adult foreign national who has entered this country without authorization demand access to American tax dollars?
So what is the truth? How much do Americans spend on foreign nationals who have freely broken our laws? How much should we be required to spend on criminals? On the Mexican underclass that already has access to medical care in Mexico? How much will we be required to spend with the idiotic "hand citizenship to all Latinos" crazy blackmail racist hispanic lobbyists are demanding in the teeth of a recession?
Tell us. Since most LEGAL immigrants are technically required to be self supporting and not allowed to collect welfare? By what possible justification does any adult foreign national who has entered this country without authorization demand access to American tax dollars?
Do tell.
Who knows? CIS includes also includes data on legal immigrants (and their children, and in places, their grandchildren if they are "Hispanic") in those statistics, and considers naturalized citizens as "immigrants" for their entire lives. The focus on Hispanics in particular starts on page 50 of their current "report": http://www.cis.org/articles/2012/imm...tates-2012.pdf
Isn't it amazing that CIS (if they are still around and looking at the very same criteria) would study the economic and education impact of the yet-unborn child(ren) of my one year-old Granddaughter because of her Hispanic immigrant mother? Does that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling that an organization could be so anally involved only with a certain ethnicity of immigrant? I feel special that my descendents could be called "Third-Generation Immigrants" a hundred years from now in the United States.
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