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You mean being the most welcoming county in the country for illegals has a cost?
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Few regions will absorb the impact of future immigration reforms more than Los Angeles County, home to an estimated 1.1 million people in the country illegally, one-tenth of the nation's total.
As the Senate Judiciary Committee began debating the bipartisan immigration bill last week, county officials voiced concerns that local taxpayers will be "left holding the bag" to pay for the brunt of healthcare and other services for multitudes of immigrants who apply for citizenship.
Local and state officials believe the overhaul bill will encourage those in the country illegally to come out of the shadows and turn to local services during the proposed 13-year-long pathway to citizenship.
"The one thing that's really clear as day is that the federal government is going to be protecting itself against costs, and we're going to be left holding the bag," said Mark Tajima, an analyst with the county's chief administrative office.
And he's only looking at the costs of the illegals here now but the amnestied illegals will be allowed to start bringing in their relatives. You can bet every illegal has at least 2 or 3 family members they'll be bringing in. Many have significantly more than 2 or 3.
And he's only looking at the costs of the illegals here now but the amnestied illegals will be allowed to start bringing in their relatives. You can bet every illegal has at least 2 or 3 family members they'll be bringing in. Many have significantly more than 2 or 3.
I hope they pay through the nose. Serves them right for making L.A. the armpit of the nation.
I hope they pay through the nose. Serves them right for making L.A. the armpit of the nation.
One of my neighbors is a good example. He's expecting to be given amnesty and then bring his daughters in and also his widowed elderly mother and once he's got his citizenship he can bring in his many siblings, including a widowed sister who is having a difficult time and has 12 kids -- but she can be sponsored by her own children because two of them are already here - and one of thiem has children back home also. Two of these 12 kids have health issues and they're waiting to come here so they can be cared for in our health care system.
Another sister has a son who needs a kidney transpant that they want to get here so he can be given free care and a free transplant surgery. Mexico's doctors can perform organ transpants but the patient has to pay something but also they have a big lack of organs because people don't like to donate organs there.
Obama is promising them family reunification and the illegals are taking this promise very seriously. Just this one illegal expects to bring in his mother, two daughters, a fiance, 2 brothers and their girlfriends and children, 4 sisters and their boyfriends and children, including the one with 12 children -- 2 are already here.
With all these millions new voters, there's no way politicians will deny them this in the future. Family reunificaion (which can only take place in the USA) will be huge.
1.1 million will be allowed to bring in family members. Let's pick 4 as a number [mother, father, brother, sister]. My basic calculator says and additional 4.4 million people that don't can't won't speak English, are unemployed, have no skills with nowhere to live. Hmmmmm. Could cause some financial problems for the people of LA County and State of California. But not to worry. The 53% of people paying taxes in the other 49 States will pick up the tab.
1.1 million will be allowed to bring in family members. Let's pick 4 as a number [mother, father, brother, sister]. My basic calculator says and additional 4.4 million people that don't can't won't speak English, are unemployed, have no skills with nowhere to live. Hmmmmm. Could cause some financial problems for the people of LA County and State of California. But not to worry. The 53% of people paying taxes in the other 49 States will pick up the tab.
Is that in the Senate proposal? Why won't the other 11 million (or 25 millions -- whatever the case may be) be allowed to bring in their long lost loved ones?
As more and more are given citizenship, I suspect the pressure to further open the borders will be increased for the pandering politicians -- they won't want to love all these newly found votes so when they protest and do their May Day marches demanding the right to bring in more of their relatives and friends, the Senate will come up with something to cater to them.
Let's itemize your previous post by the relatives:
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Originally Posted by malamute
One of my neighbors is a good example. He's expecting to be given amnesty and then bring his daughters in and also his widowed elderly mother...
His daughters will be able to be sponsored if he gains legal residency, and they are still minors, but he has to naturalize before he can sponsor his mother...
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Originally Posted by malamute
...and once he's got his citizenship he can bring in his many siblings, including a widowed sister who is having a difficult time and has 12 kids -- but she can be sponsored by her own children because two of them are already here...
Siblings in Mexico currently had a 20 year wait period (for Filipinos have even longer). Her children need to be at least 21 years old, and U.S. ciizens, to be able to sponsor a parent. Their siblings have that 20 year wait, or the mother sponsoring them as a Legal Resident, as long as they are minors.
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Originally Posted by malamute
...and one of thiem has children back home also. Two of these 12 kids have health issues and they're waiting to come here so they can be cared for in our health care system...
We're already to lengthy decades-long waits, and the further immigration you are describing will be just as long as that...
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Originally Posted by malamute
...Another sister has a son who needs a kidney transpant that they want to get here so he can be given free care and a free transplant surgery. Mexico's doctors can perform organ transpants but the patient has to pay something but also they have a big lack of organs because people don't like to donate organs there...
Realistically he won't get an organ transplant through immigration, and will likely die before he qualifies in 40+ years...
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Originally Posted by malamute
...Obama is promising them family reunification and the illegals are taking this promise very seriously. Just this one illegal expects to bring in his mother, two daughters, a fiance, 2 brothers and their girlfriends and children, 4 sisters and their boyfriends and children, including the one with 12 children -- 2 are already here...
It is the Senate plan that will be the implementation, not what President Obama has proposed as an alternate. Only U.S. citizens can sponsor fiance(e)s, with the delay even until legal residency, his fiance(e) will need to wait some years. "Boyfriends" and "girlfriends" are not an immigration category, but all I'm doing is entertaining your invented story at this point anyway.
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Originally Posted by malamute
...With all these millions new voters, there's no way politicians will deny them this in the future. Family reunificaion (which can only take place in the USA) will be huge.
That's the impression you want to give, but you are hiding the critical details of wait times, sponsorships only when a certain age and status, and non-relationships that can't be sponsored...
Let's itemize your previous post by the relatives:
His daughters will be able to be sponsored if he gains legal residency, and they are still minors, but he has to naturalize before he can sponsor his mother...
Siblings in Mexico currently had a 20 year wait period (for Filipinos have even longer). Her children need to be at least 21 years old, and U.S. ciizens, to be able to sponsor a parent. Their siblings have that 20 year wait, or the mother sponsoring them as a Legal Resident, as long as they are minors.
We're already to lengthy decades-long waits, and the further immigration you are describing will be just as long as that...
Realistically he won't get an organ transplant through immigration, and will likely die before he qualifies in 40+ years...
It is the Senate plan that will be the implementation, not what President Obama has proposed as an alternate. Only U.S. citizens can sponsor fiance(e)s, with the delay even until legal residency, his fiance(e) will need to wait some years. "Boyfriends" and "girlfriends" are not an immigration category, but all I'm doing is entertaining your invented story at this point anyway.
That's the impression you want to give, but you are hiding the critical details of wait times, sponsorships only when a certain age and status, and non-relationships that can't be sponsored...
That all may be true --- but it is human nature for one to want the whole family together. Once the mother is brought here, the rest of the kids will want to be here too.
Illegals aren't all very well informed on the laws. and there will be great unhappiness when they realize that the family reunification they're being promised has limits.
As more family members are brought here, that will mean more will be demanding their rights to also be included. This bill will not reunify families, it will only bring more family members over who will then want more family members over.
That's the impression you want to give, but you are hiding the critical details of wait times, sponsorships only when a certain age and status, and non-relationships that can't be sponsored...
Well said. All that you've said in this response. Let's not confuse people with facts ... though.
To me it still comes down to they are going to be rewarded for working and residing in our country illegally with legalization and even perhaps citizenship down the line. The fact that somewhere down the line they may be able to sponsor some of their relatives to come here is just icing on the cake for them even it it does take years.
The bottom line IMO is that this is not fair to immigrants who did it the right way and most of all it isn't in the best interests of our own citizens. I can see this happening again 20-25 years from now. When does it stop and if this is going to be the trend why have immigration laws at all then?
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