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Old 11-30-2007, 06:52 PM
 
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But you always want one...you don't seem to trust anyone.
i dont trust anyone without verifying it myself. why should i?

i want a source when someone makes a "factual" claim, such as "illegal aliens are a burden to our society" or "they hate the white man and want to reconquer america as mexico" or whatever. i also like to make sure there is no sensationalism or generalizing, seeing as though it clouds the accuracy of the argument. we can agree that illegals cause a "drain" on society, but studies ive provided show that it is extremely small, and that often tends to be highly exaggerated, and slanted in their favor with improper perspectives (such as a pure dollar amount and not as a percentage of gdp). a 1.5 billion dollar drain sounds like so much money (and may not be counting contributions), but seeing as though it only translates to approximately .07% of the GDP, we can understand that it is not the large number it is made out to be.

source: (ignore the title) LiveLeak.com - Minutemen are Unnecesasarily Racist! See the Proof.

 
Old 11-30-2007, 07:00 PM
 
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Ohh No... I predict the end of this thread soon...
 
Old 11-30-2007, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Originally Posted by GH0ST.. View Post
i dont trust anyone without verifying it myself. why should i?

i want a source when someone makes a "factual" claim, such as "illegal aliens are a burden to our society" or "they hate the white man and want to reconquer america as mexico" or whatever. i also like to make sure there is no sensationalism or generalizing, seeing as though it clouds the accuracy of the argument. we can agree that illegals cause a "drain" on society, but studies ive provided show that it is extremely small, and that often tends to be highly exaggerated, and slanted in their favor with improper perspectives (such as a pure dollar amount and not as a percentage of gdp). a 1.5 billion dollar drain sounds like so much money (and may not be counting contributions), but seeing as though it only translates to approximately .07% of the GDP, we can understand that it is not the large number it is made out to be.

source: (ignore the title) LiveLeak.com - Minutemen are Unnecesasarily Racist! See the Proof.
This ONE person's findings, so forgive me for not considering it as the holy grail of information on illegal immigration, as you and ProLogic do, as both of you have probably posted this video 100 times on this forum. As per your own admission, many numbers in this situation are "estimated", and the amount of illegal immigrants cannot be confirmed, thus the information used for this study was most likely innaccurate, as well as the results.
On another note, many sources on the side of anti-illegal immigration has been deemed by the pro-illegal side as false, such as the stats listed from the LA times. If these sources can be deemed as not credible, what's to say the sources for pro-illegal immigration are? Many sources for the pro-illegal argument are from the media, and I think even you would agree that the media is extremely pro-illegal, especially ones like Fox news.
 
Old 11-30-2007, 10:09 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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You know, we went out to dinner tonight for a couple of hours, come back and have some coffee in the back yard porch, go in to scan the board while I catch the Cavs vs Raptors (taped) game, and low and behold...

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