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Old 07-03-2015, 01:16 PM
 
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Utter nonsense. Many visa over stayers are those who come through our southern border and never go back home. They are just as guilty of finding an American citizen to marry as any other ethnic group is that does that. Let's not pull the race card here, shall we? I don't care what color of skin they are they all need to go back home and that is the sentiments of most Americans who are anti-illegal.

No, that is not correct.

Entering the USA illegally (crossing the border) means you *never* had permission to arrive on American soil.

Furthermore if you bothered to read the above links countries with the highest number of visa overstays is Poland followed by South Korea.
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Old 07-03-2015, 02:25 PM
 
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No, that is not correct.

Entering the USA illegally (crossing the border) means you *never* had permission to arrive on American soil.

Furthermore if you bothered to read the above links countries with the highest number of visa overstays is Poland followed by South Korea.
Where did I say otherwise? I am quite aware that crossing the border without authorization makes you illegally here right away. I never said that Mexicans were the largest group of visa over stayers either. I just said many Mexicans (and other Latinos) are visa over stayers besides coming here without a visa in the first place (illegal entry).

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Old 07-03-2015, 02:51 PM
 
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Have said this time and time again, but always shot down. Visa overstays are a huge part of the "illegal" immigration problem. However since they are usually white/European and or from more prosperous nations they get a pass.
Not untrue, but an oft-overlooked fact here is that people with the most noble intentions overstay because the system is so ridiculously slow. Using myself as an example, I entered on a perfectly legal fiance visa, got married within the 90-day timeframe and filed for change of status - but change of status took at least 120 days to process. In other words, in the time after the fiance visa expired and until my Employment Authorization Document was approved, I was technically overstaying my visa. Fun part: If I'd left, my application for permanent residency would have been "abandoned" and denied. There are dozens of visa categories and probably hundreds of pathways, and the USCIS is slow, slow, slow.

Another example: My Green Card expired in May. You can't apply for new one until 90 days before expiration. It takes six months to process a new one. Because reasons.

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Unlike some other countries the USA is not even interested in tracking *when* those who arrive on various visas leave. All attempts at imposing such have been met with stiff opposition.
This is simply not the case. Holders of nonimmigrant visas have to be careful to make sure their departure is registered, because it influences their next visa. Back when it was done by paper (a little green slip stapled into your passport), mistakes would happen on departure with maddening regularity.

Now it's all electronic - the nice lady at check-in scans your passport and the record goes to the USCIS. That, at least, has improved.
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Old 07-03-2015, 02:54 PM
 
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Another example: My Green Card expired in May. You can't apply for new one until 90 days before expiration. It takes six months to process a new one. Because reasons.


Well, have you applied for US citizenship yet?
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Old 07-03-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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Well, have you applied for US citizenship yet?
Not that it's anyone's business but my own, but no.
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Old 07-03-2015, 03:27 PM
 
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Exclamation Deport immedaity for a expired Visa!

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Absolutely. Goofballs like Trump talk about a border wall but that won't stop those overstaying their visa.
We can thank Obama for holding back Ice and BP from doing their job. Never mind Trump, Obama is trying again to override the rule of the land and California is attempting to create a new policy which is Contrary to US Federal Immigration Law.

So States Like Arizona (AZ1070)is free to Enforce Laws and have local law enforcement question Visitors on their Passport and visa.

Trump is at least bring realities to the table with the south and Central Americans countries who have proven again and again they have no respect for American Immigration Law.

The problem is relatively simple to fix If a Visa Holder is past his stay he gets escorted to a Airport and deported in 72 hours under supervision of the sheriff's Dept.
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Old 07-03-2015, 10:37 PM
 
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The problem is relatively simple to fix If a Visa Holder is past his stay he gets escorted to a Airport and deported in 72 hours under supervision of the sheriff's Dept.
And all that's needed for that cunning plan to work is to keep visa holders under 24/7 surveillance.
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Old 07-03-2015, 11:11 PM
 
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Not that it's anyone's business but my own, but no.
Then why so defensive? Becoming a citizen will spare you all the green card renewal hassles. I'm just saying.
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Old 07-06-2015, 08:17 AM
 
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Your bank accounts should be frozen and credit cards cancelled once your visa expires and you don't show up to renew it.
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:39 AM
 
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Your bank accounts should be frozen and credit cards cancelled once your visa expires and you don't show up to renew it.
I think you may find that among those who deliberately overstay a visa, bank accounts and credit cards aren't much of a thing. 28% of all US households at least partially use banking alternates - check cashing services, money orders, that sort of thing. The US is unique in a lot of ways, one of them being how easy it is to stay under the radar if you want to.

The question is, is it at all cost-effective to spend manhours on this sort of manhunt? The visa office of the USCIS is self-funding via fees - that's why I pay $450 for a Green Card renewal and $33 for a new driver's license - but there's generally precious little money among those whose best option is to lie low and hope The Law doesn't find them. So we'd have to pony up some tax funds.

The current system is set up to deter by catching people on exit or attempt to re-enter, and it's simple: Count the days of unlawful presence, look up in a handy table, and wham: Barred from entry for 3 years, 10 years or permanently.
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