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Nonsense. The government must prove the illegality and an illegal may have further rights. Well established law. And some countries may decline to a accept the return of refugees.
You have a right to your own opinions but you do not get your own facts.
Correct. Supreme court has ruled on this many times. Dues process is protected under constitution for illegal immigrants that have a substantive connection to America (such as they live here).
Die hards on the right will have to simply realize that this will absolutely never be possible, unless of course you want the US to look like Nazi Germany where we ship millions of people all over the country and back to mexico in cattle cars.
What's super, duper ironic is that we could have taken care of this a long time ago with much more stringent immigration policies--a bill that the Republicans killed. It would have required a path to citizenship, yes, but it would have given immigration much more teeth to deport illegals from that point forward. People living here illegally is just a fact of life we have to deal with. Make them pay fines, perform community service for their crimes, fine. We could have offered a path towards legal citizenship and enacted more stringent immigration reform a long time ago if it didn't get killed in a GOP controlled Congress.
I don't know how many times it has to be repeated that many if not most of us on the right aren't for mass deportations just enforce the laws on the books as they are found and remove all of the incentives for them to remain here and to continue to come here.
The Republicans didn't want the Gang of Eight bill because it included amnesty and I don't blame them. What good does it do the American worker to have 11 million illegals legalized? How does rewarding illegals prevent more from coming? It doesn't, it just encourages more to come.
People living here illegally is not a fact of life. It's an atrocity. They should be dealt with by deportation when they are found. Anything short of deporting them is amnesty. Why in the world would the GOP want them to have a path to citizenship when they would more than likely vote Democratic once they became citizens? There never was any reform, it was amnesty plain and simple.
I don't know how many times it has to be repeated that many if not most of us on the right aren't for mass deportations just enforce the laws on the books as they are found and remove all of the incentives for them to remain here and to continue to come here.
The Republicans didn't want the Gang of Eight bill because it included amnesty and I don't blame them. What good does it do the American worker to have 11 million illegals legalized? How does rewarding illegals prevent more from coming? It doesn't, it just encourages more to come.
People living here illegally is not a fact of life. It's an atrocity. They should be dealt with by deportation when they are found. Anything short of deporting them is amnesty. Why in the world would the GOP want them to have a path to citizenship when they would more than likely vote Democratic once they became citizens? There never was any reform, it was amnesty plain and simple.
Laws not funded don't exist. And there is no where near enough money to enforce the immigration laws. So they don't exist past that which is funded.
The Republican right opposes the Gang of 8 bill not the Republicans or the House. If put to a vote it would pass. So the issue is the right of a minority of the house to block legislation agreeable to the majority.
The immigration situation is an atrocity. But the right wing solution is to make it worse. How does that make any sense? You do not have the votes needed to deport or significantly change the immigration laws or funding. So what you do is continue the status quo which provides the ongoing opportunity for it to get worse. So you folk are supporting and extending the atrocity.
Laws not funded don't exist. And there is no where near enough money to enforce the immigration laws. So they don't exist past that which is funded.
The Republican right opposes the Gang of 8 bill not the Republicans or the House. If put to a vote it would pass. So the issue is the right of a minority of the house to block legislation agreeable to the majority.
The immigration situation is an atrocity. But the right wing solution is to make it worse. How does that make any sense? You do not have the votes needed to deport or significantly change the immigration laws or funding. So what you do is continue the status quo which provides the ongoing opportunity for it to get worse. So you folk are supporting and extending the atrocity.
Better the status quo than making those lawbreakers "legal". I don't know about you, lvmensch; but, I've got a BIG problem allowing illegal aliens to get any kind of amnesty cause that's a real insult to people who played by the rules coming here.
Better the status quo than making those lawbreakers "legal". I don't know about you, lvmensch; but, I've got a BIG problem allowing illegal aliens to get any kind of amnesty cause that's a real insult to people who played by the rules coming here.
Agreed. So what you folk want is to continue maximizing the harm done by maintaining the status quo. Legal immigrants would pose far less pressure on pay and conditions than do illegal ones. So if you can't get them deported legal is the next best option...and deporting is not in the cards.
You guys simply need to recognize that your stand has a price...and it is a big and painful one.
Obviously, deportations have been funded because throughout the years a large number of illegals have been deported starting with the Eisenhower administration. But it doesn't have to be a mass deportation like that. As I said, just enforce the laws on the books and deport the ones who have been found. We have been doing that all along until Obama decided the only ones to be deported are those were are convicted criminals.
There was no majority that wanted the Gang of 8 bill passed or it would have been. The status quo makes much more sense than amnesty because amnesty would simply encourage more to come to get in on the next amnesty. That was already proven in 1986. Enforce the laws on the books and fewer will risk coming here.
If Washington can destroy a good part of the Middle East and North Africa and displace millions of people, surely a large deportation program wouldn't be a problem. Easy-peasy.
Obviously, deportations have been funded because throughout the years a large number of illegals have been deported starting with the Eisenhower administration. But it doesn't have to be a mass deportation like that. As I said, just enforce the laws on the books and deport the ones who have been found. We have been doing that all along until Obama decided the only ones to be deported are those were are convicted criminals.
There was no majority that wanted the Gang of 8 bill passed or it would have been. The status quo makes much more sense than amnesty because amnesty would simply encourage more to come to get in on the next amnesty. That was already proven in 1986. Enforce the laws on the books and fewer will risk coming here.
More and more nonsense. Do you really think it wll sell better of you build the BS pile higher?
It is well established that the ******* removal was mostly fantasy. And that it hit legal citizen as well as legal immigrants and the illegal immigrants. Basically boot the Hispanics. Not one of the fine days in US history.
Of course there is a majority for the Gang of 8 bill. Why else do you think the Republican leadership will not allow a vote? They will lose and they know it.
The 1986 amnesty was blown because the legislature welshed on the increased enforcement that was to be part of it and Reagan et al ignored it. And since then the legislature has made it clear there will be no more increases in enforcement. So reduce the problem to what the existing system can handle or it goes on forever.
Border Patrol union wants to double the number of border patrol enforcement types. Only problem is you have to double most of the Border Patrol to pull that off. You need detention facilities and courts and lawyers and judges.
Romney said it best when he said that deportation was a matter of "attrition". Once the US gets serious about enforcement, eliminates all free social programs to illegals and their children and has no jobs for illegals, etc., they will leave on their own. Given some time, this is at least worth a shot. We need to stop letting in the refugees who claim asylum and then refuse their deportation when their asylum is denied. When the judge says GO, it should mean GO.
Bottom line is and it seems to need repeating in here is that an alternate solution has been provided to mass deportations yet it is ignored like we never said anything. WTH?
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