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Trump was forced by a partisan, seemingly monolithic Dem. majority in congress, to govern via Executive Order. Obama opened this can-of-worms and Trump followed suit.
Now, however, there is a Dem majority in both the House and Senate AND an administration willing to use EO's whenever the mood strikes them. But, why use EO's when you have the majority and will to make totally partisan, one-sided, radical laws? IMO, the next four years will see immigration totally cut loose from any tethers to reality or economic sense, as the radical Dems. impose their will on the nation.
That's what happens when a mindless mob loses sight of the value of checks and balances.
Your mindless mob is better than my mindless mob?
What is it McConnell said the day Obama was inaugurated? The job of the congress, all of them, is to protect and defend the Constitution, the county and to resolve issues that affect all of us. That cannot happen when either side declares they are obstructionist first.
I have no hate in my heart I just want our immigration laws respected and enforced. There is nothing heartless or cruel when they have been told in advance not to bring their kids with them or there will be consequences. How hateful and cruel is it for these illegals to steal our jobs, taxes and resources for themselves and costing us over $100 billion a year? Not to mention committing felony ID theft and tax evasion. You're the one who can't decipher what is cruel and heartless as you are sticking up for these law breakers while not giving a damn how their actions impact our own citizens.
You are still on that absolute lie 100 Billion? Here is what a Cato analysis of it shows...
Knowing how far you are committed to this propaganda I doubt it will change your mind but rational folk will see how absurd the 100 Billion is. And the dairy industry claims to save close to a 100 billion on illegal labor.
And the real problem with enforcing existing immigration laws is that the enforcement agencies need 5 to 10 times the existing budgets to do it in a reasonable time period. And the probability of such expenditures is pretty much zilch.
You are incorrect on this one. It wasn't because of his followers that wanted our immigration laws respected and enforced and also wanted the wall built that caused him to lose the election. He did make some progress in those areas in spite of the Democrats fighting him all the way. It was because there are far too many liberals that didn't want any of the above. They also lied about how he handled the pandemic.
No, I'm not saying his followers lost him the election for wanting immigration law enforced--quite the opposite! I believe he was surrounded and influenced by too many old guard neocons who want cheap illegal labor, as well as his daughter and son-in-law who take a liberal view on immigration.
No doubt that he did MORE than any previous POTUS, but why did he back down on deporting illegals at businesses, in their homes, in those churches where they seek refuge, etc? The media is frequently reporting about the “mixed” families where most of the kids are dropped on US soil and the parent or sibling being deported to a country that “they don’t know”. If the INS had been doing their job over the last 30 years, we wouldn’t have so many of these families who are pleasing their cases to the public.
About a year ago, there was a “warning” that they would be picked up in their homes, and then crickets. It seems like trump let the people down.
Imo, they were doing too much lol
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Originally Posted by Oldglory
You made claims not just your opinion and didn't back up your claims. What does controlling 3 branches of the government have to do with it? There never was a filibuster proof majority in congress either. You want to bash on Trump on this issue but failed to mention Biden or what Obama did or didn't do about this issue which is far worse than anything that Trump did or didn't do. At least Trump was building a wall to stop these illegal aliens from getting into our country and tried to pass an e-verify bill but as usual the Democrats wouldn't sign it.
Wow, anyone who has been to college and taking a political science class knows the answer to this question. The reason that three branches of government are important is because you get a lot more accomplished when the executive, Congress and the senate are all the same majority versus the other way around that's why a lot of presidents when they have opposite parties have a lot more problems getting things passed through.
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Originally Posted by Brian_of_Hull
What do you mean "there is no such thing as an undocumented"? The word 'undocumented' doesn't exist? That it doesn't mean 'without official documentation'? I somehow doubt you mean that there is no such thing as a person who lives in the US without a valid visa.
There IS a such thing as an undocumented immigrant. It is another term for illegal alien. If you prefer one term over the other, just say so. Don't say something inane like 'undocumented immigrants don't exist'.
The anti-abortion movement has popularised the term 'pro-life' over 'anti-abortion'. But if someone referred to them as 'anti-abortion' would they say 'there's no such thing as anti-abortion' or would they say 'we prefer the term pro-life'? The former doesn't make any sense.
So maybe instead of saying, "Obama instructed Homeland Security not to deport any illegal aliens (no such thing as an undocumented)", you could say "Obama instructed Homeland Security not to deport any illegal aliens (I prefer the term illegal alien over undocumented immigrant because it is more dehumanising and invites less empathy)." That would make logical sense AND explain your position better.
exactly! I keep trying to tell him it's the same thing as a person without papers but he seems to keep claiming that the word un documented doesn't exist even though it actually does
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Originally Posted by Cruz Azul Guy
You do realize that the “zero tolerance” border policy was resoundingly rejected by lawmakers on both sides of the aisle and the last four first ladies as being “immoral,” “disgraceful,” and a “humanitarian crisis” don’t you? Even Melania Trump released a statement stating she hates to see children separated from their parents and that she “believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart.”
Once again, undocumented does not appear in our immigration law lingo. It's a made up PC term by those who support illegal immigration and want to call attention away from the illegal act that they committed.
If Superman were here illegally he should be deported just as anyone else here illegally. No one is special and exempt from our laws. We should not allow asylum seekers into our country unless their cases are proven first. Mos asylum seekers are coming here for economic reasons and that is not a valid reason to claim asylum in our country.
You don’t believe in the presumption of innocence? I guess it shouldn’t surprise me. You’ve proven time and time again that you have no regard for our constitution.
The assumption that these parents “know who to contact” is false. There are many reports of parents who have no idea where their kids are located nor how to reunite with them. The whole thing is well established as an absolute trainwreck and yet you continue to defend it as sound practice...
That's not what I'm saying and you know it! What I am saying is if you actually did commit a crime that still makes you a law breaker. Are you actually claiming that if an illegal alien jumps our border illegally and they were caught by the Border Patrol doing so that they haven't committed a crime unless they have a court hearing? Are you serious???? You sure like to spin things, don't you? At any rate illegals and Americans alike are detained when there is enough evidence that they have committed a crime.
All these parents have to do is contact ICE and give them the information on their child and they can trace them. You are making a big deal out of nothing to fit your pro-illegal alien agenda. I defend the rule of law and the enforcement of it. The policy was don't bring your kids up to our border and try to enter illegally or you will go to jail and your kids held separately as our laws state! Why do you demonize our laws? Why do you defend these parents for breaking the law? Why do you continue to defend illegal immigration?
That's not what I'm saying and you know it! What I am saying is if you actually did commit a crime that still makes you a law breaker. Are you actually claiming that if an illegal alien jumps our border illegally and they were caught by the Border Patrol doing so that they haven't committed a crime unless they have a court hearing? Are you serious???? You sure like to spin things, don't you? At any rate illegals and Americans alike are detained when there is enough evidence that they have committed a crime.
All these parents have to do is contact ICE and give them the information on their child and they can trace them. You are making a big deal out of nothing to fit your pro-illegal alien agenda. I defend the rule of law and the enforcement of it. The policy was don't bring your kids up to our border and try to enter illegally or you will go to jail and your kids held separately as our laws state! Why do you demonize our laws? Why do you defend these parents for breaking the law? Why do you continue to defend illegal immigration?
You start by saying that this isn’t what you’re saying. Yet you then go on to provide an explanation that is in direct contradiction with the presumption of innocence.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
Also inexplicable to me is the rose-colored glasses you have with regards to Trump’s “zero tolerance” border policy. It was found that the administration intentionally withheld contact information which was needed to reunite families. It was also found that when the separation policy was enacted that they had no plan in place to eventually reunite families and later even argued that it wasn’t their responsibility to do so.
You start by saying that this isn’t what you’re saying. Yet you then go on to provide an explanation that is in direct contradiction with the presumption of innocence.
Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
Also inexplicable to me is the rose-colored glasses you have with regards to Trump’s “zero tolerance” border policy. It was found that the administration intentionally withheld contact information which was needed to reunite families. It was also found that when the separation policy was enacted that they had no plan in place to eventually reunite families and later even argued that it wasn’t their responsibility to do so.
Yet you support this practice....
And you fail to understand that if you commit a crime especially when someone sees you do it such as the Border Patrol, you're still a lawbreaker and have to be detained.
It was found? Where is your viable non-biased link? There's more to the story than that anyway. Yes, get it through your thick skull once and for all. I support our immigration laws and want them enforced. The policy and consequences were laid out beforehand and yet these parents and child trafficters disregarded them. The blame is on the those who brought these kids up to our border and tried to enter our country illegally anyway.
If these parents really wanted their kids back all they would have to do is call ICE and they would investigate it. Now get lost, will you? Sick of your pro-illegal alien BS and anti-American disregard for our immigration laws.
And you fail to understand that if you commit a crime especially when someone sees you do it such as the Border Patrol, you're still a lawbreaker and have to be detained.
It was found? Where is your viable non-biased link? There's more to the story than that anyway. Yes, get it through your thick skull once and for all. I support our immigration laws and want them enforced. The policy and consequences were laid out beforehand and yet these parents and child trafficters disregarded them. The blame is on the those who brought these kids up to our border and tried to enter our country illegally anyway.
If these parents really wanted their kids back all they would have to do is call ICE and they would investigate it. Now get lost, will you? Sick of your pro-illegal alien BS and anti-American disregard for our immigration laws.
More than 900 children separated at border since judge ordered practice curtailed: ACLU (Fox News)
The judge later ordered the government to find children who were separated since July 1, 2017, a group that an internal watchdog report estimated numbered in the thousands but has not yet been determined. The administration didn't have adequate tracking systems at the time.
Identifying children separated from families at border could take up to 2 years, US says (Fox News)
In January the Health and Human Services Department's internal watchdog reported that thousands more children may have been separated since the summer of 2017. The department's inspector general said the precise number was unknown.
628 parents of separated children are still missing. Here's why immigrant advocates can't find them. (USA Today)
Trump administration lawyers maintained in court that it was not the government's responsibility to locate deported parents separated under the pilot program since they were no longer in the U.S., according to Gelernt.
Deported Parents Describe Agonizing Wait To Be Reunited With Their Children (NPR)
Initially, the administration said the ACLU and immigrant rights groups should be the ones to find the parents. But U.S. District Judge Dana Sabraw has ordered the government to take responsibility, saying, "The reality is that for every parent not located, there will be a permanently orphaned child and that is 100 percent the responsibility of the administration." Now the administration has produced a detailed plan to reunite these families.
Why hasn't congress and Senate done more to stop illegal immigration? They write the laws.
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